One million views an hour
President Trump did an interview with Joe Rogan - and so far it has 15 million views, after just 15 hours, on YouTube alone, one million views an hour.
This is one interview you need to get your liberal, independent and undecided conservative friends to watch. This is the real Trump that I so admire for his genius and heart - that the fake news hides from everybody. This one interview will wake up more people than anything I’ve seen in 9 years.
It starts out exposing The Fake Ladies of The View.
Here’s the video and I also printed out a transcript below if you’d rather read it.
Joe Rogan
One of the things I wanted to talk to you about, I wanted to play this, but we decided we shouldn't play it because it could get copyright strike and we don't want to get the episode, we don't want anybody to have any sort of a way to get it down, but it was the episode of you when you were on The View, and I think it was 2015 or 2006, like when you were running for president, and you sat, you got introduced as our friend Donald Trump.
Whoopi Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss, Joy Behar gives you a big hug, Barbara Walters gives you a big hug, they all loved you, they were all talking about how you might be conservative in your financial positions, but you're very liberal socially, they were talking about you in such a favorable light.
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The audience was cheering, and then you actually started winning in the polls, and then the machines started working towards you, but there's probably no one in history that I've ever seen that's been attacked the way you've been attacked, and the way they've done it, so coordinated and systematically, and when you see those same people in the past, very favorable to you, like Oprah, when you were on Oprah's show, she was encouraging you to…
Donald Trump
I did one of her last shows, I think maybe Thursday or Friday, that was a big deal being on Oprah's show, the last one, and I was like one of the last shows in that last, that final week, and I said, boy, we've come a long way since that.
What was it like? Well, the concept, it was really like two different lives, you know, I had a very wonderful life, but I wanted to do this, The Apprentice was still going very strong, we had 12 seasons, and we had actually 14 seasons, 12 years, over, they had a couple of them.
Joe Rogan
You canceled The Apprentice when you were running for president, correct?
Donald Trump
No, they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it, I was involved in that, and I had enough of it, and we did great, it was doing great, but they wanted me to stay, they all came to see me, they said, we're going to give you a contract, they wanted to extend my contract, Mark Burnett is a great guy, and they wanted to extend the contract, Mark said you're crazy, don't run, don't run, nobody gives up prime time, they said, you know, it's one of those little things, which is probably true.
Joe Rogan
Nobody gives up prime time, though, for being president?
Donald Trump
For running, well, for running against 20 some odd people, you know, turned out to be 18, 18 professional people, you know, mostly politicians, they said, who would do this, I mean, it's a long shot, actually, the heads of NBC came over, all the top people came over to see me, try and talk me out of it, because they wanted to have me extend, The Apprentice was doing well, so it was 14 seasons, it was 12 years, which we had one, two seasons where we had a double, which rarely happens, it was just a hot show, and I said, you know, I want to do this, what happened is, previously, like, three years, four years before that, they did a poll, they had Mitt Romney, and somehow they put me in a poll, and I blew everybody away, I blew him away, which isn't that hard, frankly, but I blew everybody away, and I said, that's interesting, because I never really gave it that much real thought, I thought about it, but never real thought, but I saw these polls were very good, and so I was thinking about doing it then, but I had a contract with The Apprentice, plus I was building two big buildings at the time, and I wanted to make sure they got finished up properly, and it was one of those things, the kids were just sort of getting involved, they're very capable kids, but they were getting involved early on, so I did that, I got them done, I had some very good successes, and I came on, and then I thought about it for the next one, after the Romney disaster, and I ran, and I won, against Hillary, and it was quite an experience, but it was a different life, because you're right, the view, I was in the view many, many times, and they loved me.
Joe Rogan
Just the way people would talk, I mean, even if people had criticisms about you, people that didn't like you, there was always feuds and stuff like that, but the reality was, the thing turned on you, when they found out that you were going to be president, it was very coordinated, and some people are catching on to that now, there's a lot of people that were longtime Democrats, like Elon, and Bill Ackman, and all these different, very intelligent people.
Donald Trump
And they support me now, Bill Ackman supports me, he's been very supportive too.
Joe Rogan
This is what I wanted to ask you, what was it like, when you actually got in, because nobody really can prepare you for that, when you're running for president, you don't really know what it's going to be like when you actually get into office, what was the, what did you think it was going to be like?
Donald Trump
In office, or when I decided to run?
Joe Rogan
No, when you got in.
Donald Trump
When I was in, so when I was in, and won, and was in the White House, essentially. Well, first of all, it was very surreal. It's very interesting.
When I got shot, it wasn't surreal. That should have been surreal. When I was laying on the ground, I knew exactly what was going on.
I knew exactly where I was hit. They were saying, you were hit all over the place, because there was so much blood from the ear. You would know that better than anyone, when they get the ear torn up.
Joe Rogan
Ears bleed a lot, yeah.
Donald Trump
Anyway, so, and I was thinking the other day, when that happened, I really knew where I was. I knew exactly what happened. I said I wasn't hit anywhere.
With the presidency, it was a very surreal experience, okay? What's day one like?
Joe Rogan
You win, you get inaugurated, holy shit, I'm the president.
Donald Trump
Yeah, that's what happened. So I'm driving down Pennsylvania Avenue, I just built a building on Pennsylvania, you know, the hotel, the old post office it was. We called it Trump National Hotel.
And we sold it to the Waldorf Astoria. And it was a wonderful thing. But I'm driving down, I'm passing the hotel.
You've never seen so many motorcycles, police, military. You know, it was a major thing. I got off, really the first time I used Air Force One, landed, and we're coming down, and it was very beautiful.
I mean, it was incredible. And we're going down Pennsylvania Avenue in the opposite direction. You know, normally you're used to going one way, and all of a sudden you're going the other way.
The street was loaded up. And I wanted to go out, and I wanted to wave to everybody, but that wasn't smart. You know, the kids, a little bit dangerous, right?
I mean, when you watch, like, Kennedy and some others, right? But I really felt, I don't know, the love was so crazy. And so I did get out of the car for a brief, you know, just for a very short walk.
I thought it was very important to do. And Melania got out with her beautiful dress on that became sort of a staple. It was, people loved it.
And Barron, and we're walking down the street. But where it really got amazing, we get to the White House. And now it's a little bit, a little bit before dark, beautiful.
And we went up to the president's quarters. They call them the presidential quarters. And I'm standing in this beautiful hallway.
You know, it's funny. Nobody ever talks about the White House as being beautiful inside. You know, you think it's going to be, everything's going to be all metal doors and stuff.
It's not. It's so beautiful. I made my money largely on luxury.
The hallway is, like, 25 feet wide. The ceiling heights are, you know, every, it's so beautiful. But I was standing there, and I said to the guys, I want to see the Lincoln bedroom.
I had never seen the Lincoln bedroom. I'd heard about the Lincoln bedroom. And I was standing with my wife.
I said, do you believe it? This is the Lincoln bedroom. I mean, it was like, it was, it was amazing.
Because it's, look, if you love the country, but here you are, the Lincoln bedroom. And the bed, you know, he was very tall. He was six foot six, which then would be like, like Barron.
It would be like Barron Trump. He's six nine. But six foot six.
He was very tall. Then on top of that, he wore. There it is.
He wore that. Yeah, there it is. It's a long bed, elongated bed.
And because very, you know, people were shorter than. You see some of the chairs are very, very low to the ground, actually. But he had the long bed.
And they had, you had the Gettysburg Address right on that, right under that. You can't see it here, but right there, the original version of the Gettysburg Address. And this is the original.
And I'm looking and I just looked around. I said, do you believe this? Because I was never a first.
So even if you were a politician, but I was never a politician. It just I sort of just started. Right, right.
And all of a sudden, I'm standing in the White House. And it was very, very surreal. That room was so beautiful to me, much more beautiful than it actually is.
You know, to me, when I looked at the bed and the bed, you could see it was a little bit longer, had to be a little bit longer. He lost his son and they suffered. The two of them suffered from melancholia.
They didn't call it depression. They called it melancholia. And they suffered from it.
He was a very depressed guy. And she was a very depressed woman, more so than him. And on top of that, they lost their son, whose name was Ted, Ted.
And it was just seeing it in the little pictures, a little tiny picture. And you can't see the details. They're a little tiny.
Everything, though, was a little tiny picture of Ted, who he lost. And it was devastating. And he was you know, he was look, he was in a war.
He was he was and he was having a hard time because he couldn't beat Robert E. Lee. Robert E.
Lee won like 13 battles in a row. And he was getting like a phobia, like a fighter, you know, not about the fight stuff. But like I went to a UFC fight and it was a champion who was 14 and one about a year ago.
You would know the names 14 and one. And the only guy he lost to was this one guy. But the guy that he was fighting was like almost just an average fighter, lost numerous times.
But he beat this one guy.
Joe Rogan
So I said, OK, I really don't know who you're talking about.
Donald Trump
I will figure it out. OK, but about a year ago. But the point is that he lost.
He wasn't nearly the fighters. But the one who was not nearly the fighter had beaten. He's the only guy that beat the champ like five years before.
And I said, I'll take the guy that won the other fight. And that's what happened. He beat him a second time.
Joe Rogan
Sometimes psychological.
Donald Trump
It was a crazy thing. Lincoln had a I don't know. I've never read this.
I heard it from people in the White House who really understand what was going on with the whole life of the White House. But Lincoln had the yips about in a way, as the golfers would say, he had a phobia about Robert E. Lee said, I can't beat Robert because Robert E.
Lee won many battles in a row. He was just beating the hell out of, you know, they tried to get Robert E. Lee to be on the north.
But he said, no, I have to be with my state. You know, the state was his whole thing. And he went to the south and he was I've had generals tell me we have some great generals, the real generals, not the ones you see on television, the ones that beat ISIS with me.
We defeated ISIS in record time. It was supposed to take years. And we did it in a matter of weeks.
These are great generals. These are tough guys. These are not woke guys.
But their favorite general in terms of genius was Robert E. Lee. In terms of strategy, strategy, strategically.
He took a war that should have been over in a few days. And it was, you know, years of hell, a vicious war. And so here I am standing there.
And again, I had never really done this before. You know, I ran. I ran a number of months before I won.
I probably, I guess if you figured max it out, it would be a year, something like that. So I had never run for office. And I did well.
I mean, I went into debates. We had 18 people, including me. And then slowly but surely, they started to disappear.
We had debates, good debates.
Joe Rogan
Everyone's aware of all this stuff. But what I want to get to is like, what was the experience once you got inside?
Joe Rogan
It was just...
Joe Rogan
What did you think it was going to be like in terms of like your ability to govern? Yeah. Like this is your first experience governing anything.
You've never been a governor.
Donald Trump
You've never been a mayor. Yeah, private stuff. Business.
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
But now all of a sudden, you're inside the White House.
Donald Trump
The biggest thing was just that first moment of being in this hallowed... It was really a hallowed place to me. It was surreal.
It was beyond... To me, that was the experience. It was a surreal experience.
And then with time, that wears off. With time, it becomes, you know, your place where you stay. And I was doing a lot of...
I had two things that I really focused on, governing the country and survival. Because from the moment I won, before I got to office, all of a sudden, I mean, they came down. I mean, nobody has ever been treated that way.
And you see that. I mean, you see we're in the Washington Post very early on. They said, well, now the impeachment stuff starts.
And it did. I mean, it literally started from the beginning. So I had survival and run the nation.
I had a combination. Most people don't have the survival. They get in.
Joe Rogan
What did you expect, though, in terms of, like, once you got inside, you had to appoint all these people? How many appointments did you have to make?
Donald Trump
Well, you have actually 10,000 appointments now. They're different. You have big ones, and then they appoint 100 people and 200 people.
But the president really is involved with approximately 10,000 appointments. So you'll appoint a secretary of state, and he or she will appoint a lot of people. So it's a lot.
But in terms of major ones, you probably have like 100. But they're big ones. Treasury, state, military.
And how did you know who to appoint? Well, I didn't. I had no experience.
You have to understand. So I was there 17 times in Washington, and I never stayed over, according to the press, which I think is probably right. Over the years, I was only there 17 times.
I never stayed over. So now I'm sitting there. I'm saying, this place is gorgeous.
But I don't know anybody. It's like you. You go to certain areas, and other areas, they may be great.
Washington was great. Washington's not so great right now. They're going to, we got to fix it.
We're going to make it better. A very dangerous place, very badly maintained place. We're going to make it great.
We're going to make it better. We're going to bring it back. But I wasn't a Washington guy.
I was a New York guy. I was a New York builder, and I built buildings in New York. And I knew that whole world.
But I didn't know the Washington world too well. And all of a sudden, you're supposed to be appointing top people.
Joe Rogan
So what did you think it was going to be like? Versus like, did you have any ideas of what it was going to be like? And what was different?
Donald Trump
Well, I was always involved in politics, but usually from the standpoint of a donor. I was a donor. I was a big donor.
I gave money to politicians. I enjoyed politics.
Joe Rogan
Mostly Democrats, right?
Donald Trump
Both, really. Pretty much both. I actually have pictures of Ronald Reagan and me when I was very young.
Joe Rogan
You were a Democrat until, like, what year?
Donald Trump
I was a Democrat. I could get you the exact. But the early 90s, the early 90s, I switched over eventually.
Actually, they had a Reform Party. I was thinking about doing that for a little while. But then fortunately, I didn't because it's very hard.
You know, it's a two-party system. And anytime you hear third party, I know you like RFK Jr. And so do I. He's a fantastic guy.
I do, but I thought that being an independent was nonsense. It doesn't work because even if you do great, you're not going to get Congress. In other words, you need now to say, OK, now I'll get half of Congress.
They're never going to vote for you. So even if you got there, which is very hard, and I know how you feel about Bobby, and I feel the same way, and he's now with us. But it's pure and simple.
It's a two-party system. And somebody, I won't mention his name, but somebody spent $250 million trying to get the nomination as a Reform Party candidate or whatever, and they got just nowhere. You get eaten.
You just get eaten. The system eats you alive. So it was really somebody that not only was new to Washington, but was new to politics.
So in the office of the presidency, over the years, all those presidents, you've had 92% were politicians, and 8% were generals. General Eisenhower, General Washington, right? General George Washington, you had generals.
So it's 8% generals, no admirals, 8% generals, and 92% politicians. You know, they're politicians and they go on. So they never had a business guy or they never had a guy that wasn't elected to an office.
They were all, like Ronald Reagan was really, he was a movie actor, but he became the governor of California for, I think, two terms, and then he ran. So you'd never had a thing like this. But in terms of me, and sometimes I'd use it as an excuse, and I don't like having excuses, actually, but I'd use it as an excuse.
I had to rely on people that I respected or liked, but that I didn't know that well, because I didn't know them that well. Some of those people I campaigned against, because when you have 18 people, we had mostly politicians running in the election, running in the primaries, and they got knocked out one by one, but I got to like some of them. Some of them I didn't like at all, and I don't like them now.
And I'd rely on them and I'd rely on other people. So all of a sudden, people would come in, I'd like to recommend so-and-so to be Secretary of State, and I'd have three, four people recommend. One thing I can tell you, Joe, everybody wants the position.
Of course. No, no, but sometimes I'll hear, a lot of people don't want to work with Trump, because Trump is tough to work with, et cetera. Let me tell you, everybody wants to be any one of these positions.
They'd die for it. Of course. Now, they don't want to be known.
I mean, there's a particular guy in New York, primarily, very big, very big, very successful, very strong, very political, although he's not a politician. He'd give anything to be Secretary of State, but if they ask him, no, I don't think I would do it, but in the meantime, begging for it, okay, begging. I believe you.
Look, everybody wants it. By the way, no matter what you do, but it's very dangerous to pick somebody outside of a politician, because a politician's been basically vetted for years. You pick a business guy, and they've never been vetted at all, and they're the head of a big company or something, but they've never been vetted.
You know nothing about his personal life. You know nothing about where he's been. When you put them in, it's a little bit dangerous, because all of a sudden, they get checked up, and you hear things that you say, wow, this is not going to work out too well.
So, it's very dangerous. Picking people that are outside of politics is somewhat dangerous.
Joe Rogan
So, you're kind of stuck in a position where you have to pick established people, and then the problem with established people is established people are already indoctrinated into the system.
Donald Trump
And they're stiffs, in many cases. They're stiffs. They're survivors.
I find that, you know- What do you mean by stiffs? When you say stiffs- Stiffs, they have nothing. Or, they're smart and survivor.
One little thing. So, there was a congressman, years before I ran, and I was very close to him, and I needed a license on something, and he was very important in getting the license. But it was a little bit controversial, the license, this particular thing that was being licensed.
But I was close to this guy, and helped him in everything else. And I went to him. I said, I'd like to have your help.
And he said, let me take a look at it. I said, ooh, that's not too good, but I really hope you're going to help. And anyway, he tapped me along for a long period of time, and ultimately didn't do it.
And I said, you are a stiff. You could have done this thing so easy, et cetera. But it was controversial.
He was in Congress for many years, like 28 years. And you know, there's a reason when somebody's there for 28 years, you've got to be sort of smart.
Joe Rogan
Right, a survivor.
Donald Trump
You know, you have all the scandals, and I realized he was a survivor.
Joe Rogan
And so they never do anything controversial. They never take any chances or speak their opinion that's outside of it.
Donald Trump
And yet, I don't disrespect him for it. I actually respected the guy more in a certain way.
Joe Rogan
Because he did survive.
Donald Trump
You know what? He's been there for 28 years, and he made it through. A lot of people don't make it through.
Joe Rogan
It's a good way for non-exceptional people to survive.
Donald Trump
Well, it is.
Joe Rogan
It certainly is. So you're in there. You have 10,000 appointments you have to make.
So you're getting advice from people. And at one point in time, did you have a moment in time where you realized, like, these are bad choices? Like, some of these people I shouldn't have had in there.
Donald Trump
Oh, yeah. I think so. The one question that you'll ask me, that I think you'll ask me, that people seem to ask, and I always come up with the same answer.
The one mistake. Because I had a lot of success. Great economy, great everything.
Everything was great. We, the military, we rebuilt it. Biggest tax cuts in history.
All this stuff. We did it. We had a great presidency.
Three Supreme Court justices. Most people get none. You know, you pick them young.
This way, they're there for 50 years, right? So, you know, even if a president is there for eight years, oftentimes they never have a chance. I had three.
It was sort of the luck of the draw. But I will say that it always comes back to the same answer. The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people.
I picked some great people, you know, but you don't think about that. I picked some people that I shouldn't have picked. I picked a few people that I shouldn't have picked.
Neocons. Yeah, neocons or bad people or disloyal people or.
Joe Rogan
People that were just bad. People that were into the. Because you got bad advice.
Donald Trump
Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, you reading about them a little bit today, a guy like Kelly, who is a bully, a bully, but a weak, a weak person, you know, you know more about bullies than anybody probably around because you deal in a certain sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Donald Trump
But, you know, he's bad. Bolton was an idiot, but he was great for me because I'd go in with a guy like a John Bolton. You know, John Bolton, a friend of mine called, called me up.
I was picking Bolton. He's a very smart guy. His name is Phil Ruffin.
He's a very rich guy from Las Vegas. One of the he's a great card player. He doesn't play cards, but he's a great player.
You know, he's just a natural got poker sense, right? You know, good old poker sense. And Phil Ruffin is, is a very, very wise kind of a guy and very one of the richest people around and has had great success and understands people.
So it was in that I was picking Bolton or I picked Bolton. He called up. He said, don't pick him.
Why? He's a bad guy. I've.
Now he wasn't in politics at all. He's in various businesses. He said, he's a bad guy.
He's just, it always works out bad with that guy. I said, oh man, I wish you told me this two weeks ago. I already hired him.
You know, he's here and, and he was right. But, but he was good in a certain way. He's a nut job.
And every time I had to deal with a country, when they saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh man, Trump's going to go to war with us. He was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East. They should have never done it.
I used to say it as a civilian. So I always got more publicity than other people. And I didn't, it wasn't like I was trying.
In fact, I don't know exactly why. Maybe you can tell me.
Joe Rogan
Oh, I could definitely tell you.
Donald Trump
You said a lot of wild shit. Maybe.
Joe Rogan
You said a lot of wild shit. CNN in their, all their brilliance by highlighting your wild shit made you much more popular and they boost you in the polls because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit pre-prepared politician lingo. And even if they didn't agree with you, they at least knew whoever that guy is, that's him.
That's really him. When you see certain people talk, certain people in the public eye, you don't know who they are. You have no idea who they are.
It's very difficult to know. You see them in conversations. They have these pre-planned answers.
They say everything. It's very rehearsed. You never get to the meat of it.
One of the beautiful things about you is that you free ball. Like you get out and you do these huge events and you're just talking and you're making, we've highlighted you on the show many times where you, when you did this Biden impression where he's walking around, he doesn't know what he's doing.
Joe Rogan
It's funny.
Joe Rogan
It's standup. It's funny stuff. But it's like you, and you're making fun of Elon one time, you're doing an Elon impression.
It's great. You have like comedic instincts. Like when you said to Hillary, you'd be in jail.
Like that's great timing. But it's like that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician. Like no one had done that.
And I think- You know, it's funny.
Donald Trump
You need at least the attitude of a comedian when you're doing this business. This is a very dangerous business. First of all, it's a very tough business when- It's the most dangerous business.
Yes, the most. Well, for a job? Yes.
Joe Rogan
I mean, other than going to war and being a firefighter or being a cop, it's the most dangerous business.
Donald Trump
It's the most dangerous. Being president is the most dangerous. Especially you.
Joe Rogan
I mean, you haven't even got to the election. There's been two assassination attempts. And they've brushed those out of the news like it was nothing.
Yeah, they'd rather not talk about them. Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden, how hard people would be attacking the right. How they would be trying to get guns taken away from people.
They would try to ramp up gun laws. They would try to figure out some way to blame you. If there was a tax on- If Biden got shot in the ear, we would have never heard the end of it.
Donald Trump
But I think he's in good shape because it's only consequential presidents. If you take a look at what's happened, look, I'm for having countries pay us billions and billions and trillions even dollars. I took in hundreds of billions of dollars from China.
Nobody took in 10 cents. Not one other president. I do things that make it- I mean, that don't necessarily make me so popular.
I just do what's right. And when you do that, you know, you're more- Look at Iran. We would have never had the attack on Israel at all.
Iran was broke. I told China, if you buy, you can't do business in the United States under any circumstances. I was going to- We're going to go cold turkey with China.
Some people think that would have been a good idea anyway. But if you buy any oil, one barrel of oil from them, you're not doing business. I said that to many countries.
Iran was broke. They had no money for Hezbollah. They had no money for Hamas.
They had no money. But I make myself, you know- I mean, I understand what I'm doing. You make yourself a target.
And it's a very dangerous business. But if you just look at statistically- So I said a thing. I don't know if it's right.
But one-tenth of one percent for a race car drive. Yeah, it's a pretty dangerous business, right? Yeah.
One-tenth of one percent for a bull rider. I tell you, to me- You're talking death? These guys that ride the bulls is worse than UFC.
These guys, you see these big monster bulls, and you see it in slow motion where the foot is like, you know, an inch away from the head. If it hits him, the guy's gone. But they die.
You know, they die.
Joe Rogan
So one-tenth of one percent die, are you saying?
Donald Trump
Yeah, one-tenth of one percent die. Right. And they certainly get hurt badly, really.
I mean, they can't walk after a certain period of time. But with a president, if you look at- The amount of assassination attempts. And attempts, too.
And attempts. No, it's a very dangerous position. I never thought of that, by the way, when I did it.
You know, you don't tend to- Do you just assume because people love you on The Apprentice, they were going to love you as a president? I was thinking it would be so easy. You know, it's very interesting.
Joe Rogan
Well, it probably would have been if the media didn't attack you the way they did. If they didn't conflate you with Hitler. I mean, even today, like Kamala was talking about you and Hitler.
They're going to take what you said about Robert E. Lee. Oh, Donald Trump wishes the South won.
Joe Rogan
Oh, he loves Robert E. Lee. That's right.
He loves Robert E.
Joe Rogan
Lee. They love to take things out of context and distort things.
Donald Trump
But they don't even have to take them out. They make them up entirely.
Joe Rogan
They do that, too.
Donald Trump
But, you know, it's interesting when you mentioned the- I was very popular. And all those people loved me. I mean, some of these women, they're so stupid.
And Joy, every time she'd see me, like I'd be in the theater or something, and she'd say, you have to be on the show again. Come on, come on. Let's go.
We have to- She loved you. She loved me.
Joe Rogan
That episode where- By the way, Whoopi- People should watch that episode just to see what we're talking about. Like I said, we don't want to get a copyright strike, so we're not going to put it up. But if you watch the episode, it's bananas.
It's like an alternative universe. And it's only- But Whoopi- Nine years ago.
Joe Rogan
Whoopi loved me. Loved you. Gives you a hug and a kiss.
Donald Trump
And how about that other one, the new one on there, the one from my administration? She writes me a letter, you're the greatest president. She leaves.
You know, she worked as like an assistant press secretary. I hardly knew her. But she leaves and she writes me this gorgeous letter.
What's her name? She was- I don't even know, you know. Anyway, she was in the administration.
She's on now currently. Sits in the far right-hand side, whatever the hell her name is. And she writes a letter, the most beautiful letter.
She's quoted in the paper. He's a consequential. He was the greatest president.
Bah, bah, bah. Then all of a sudden, she goes in the view. She started hitting the hell out of me.
Because they won't hire her unless- I've had many people go on CNN and they call and said, I don't know what to do. They want to pay me a lot, but I have to be negative on you. I said, be negative.
That's okay. There are guys on like CNN, they won't hire them. Sean Duffy is a congressman and he retired.
He got a good job with CNN, but he was only positive about Trump. So they kept him, but they would never put him on. I mean, I respect what he did.
He could have gone, you know, negative. I tell people, go negative. You know, let my friends make the money.
Well, it's just- It's so crooked. The press is so crooked.
Joe Rogan
It's crooked, but it's also, they're diminishing themselves. They're hurting themselves. They're killing all their credibility.
And it's opening up the credibility to new media. It's opening up the credibility to independent media.
Donald Trump
All these- The worst I've ever seen though, and I've seen the worst. I mean, I've been a part of it. I've been, I've seen the worst.
Kamala goes on 60 Minutes, gave an answer that a child wouldn't give. It was so bad. And 60 Minutes took the answer out.
They took the whole, and they put another answer in.
Joe Rogan
They edited it deceptively.
Donald Trump
Which didn't make sense either, but it was better. They took the, well, it wasn't editing. It was fraud.
This was not editing. You know, editing is where I'll give an answer, and they'll take a couple of words and change them around. Or they might even take a sentence or two off, which is very bad.
But that's, it's sort of bad. You know, I'd give an answer, which was a very good answer. I always talk about, you know, I like to give long the weave.
Joe Rogan
You know, I like to- Yeah, you like to weave things in.
Donald Trump
But when you do the weaves, and you have to be very smart to do weaves. When you do the weave, look at this. Just in this one thing, we're talking about little pieces.
Joe Rogan
Uh-huh, gotta get back home.
Donald Trump
No, no, it comes back home for the right people. For the wrong people, it doesn't come back home, and they end up in the wilderness, right? But they can take my answer.
And you know what? They may take a little piece of it out or something. And they use the term, yes, we want to save time.
Well, it's not, but I've never heard. I think it's the biggest scandal in broadcast history. What happened to CBS?
So you have CBS 60 Minutes. That's a news program. It's not an entertainment program.
It's under their news. It's the head of their news thing. She gives an answer that shows that she's essentially incompetent.
And they took the answer. Could you imagine them doing that for me?
Joe Rogan
We can show it if you want people to see it.
Donald Trump
Can we show it?
Joe Rogan
No? We get in trouble? We'll get copyright strike?
Okay. I'll indemnify you. But it's drastic.
But what was interesting was the other full version was available initially. It was like a preview.
Donald Trump
Somebody made a big mistake.
Joe Rogan
Somebody put that preview out there.
Donald Trump
Some kid put the preview out. And then the bosses did this or that. And then all of a sudden they said, we got a problem.
Joe Rogan
Exactly.
Donald Trump
And then- They got caught by mistake. Well- But don't you think that's a big... To me, and don't forget, this is election interference and fraud.
And it's 60 Minutes. It's their news division. So they give- It's a big deal.
They give those licenses out, Joe, for free. They should pay a fortune. They're worth a fortune.
They give them out for free because they're using the public airwaves. With cable, you don't have that. Cable is different.
But it's just a different deal. But with the networks, they give those license- They're worth billions of dollars. They give them out free.
But you have to be honest and all. That was bad. I think that David Muir and that woman that was aside, I never even heard of her.
But they kept interrupting me. I said, how many people am I debating here? I got this one, and I got you two.
But he went after me 11 different times. You know, it's interesting. I always thought he was a nice guy, but he's just like the rest of them.
Joe Rogan
Well, that's his job, unfortunately. And I'm sure- No, but not when they're wrong. You're right.
Well, the problem was they fact-checked you, and they didn't fact-check her. And one of the most egregious examples of that was when she said that there are no troops right now deployed in war zones. There's a very famous viral video that went online of troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck are we then?
Because there's thousands of them. Dan Crenshaw, the congressman, posted on his Instagram all of the various examples of troops that are deployed, thousands and thousands of troops that are currently deployed.
Joe Rogan
Stupidly deployed.
Joe Rogan
But the point is, if this is going to be an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if it's going to be a real debate, you have to fact-check everybody. If someone says maybe she thought there was no, which is also a problem. So it's one of two things.
It's either it was not true, it was a lie on purpose, which is terrible, or it was the opposite.
Donald Trump
It was ignorance, which is also terrible. Well, Joe, when I said crime is soaring, he said, no, no, crime has gone down. I said, where did you hear that one?
Crime has gone down.
Joe Rogan
I mean, I'm debating with this guy, but I've had that- Well, there was amended FBI statistics that came out after that, that showed that crime had gone up substantially.
Donald Trump
And by the way, the statistics were a fraud because when they put out the statistics, they didn't include some of the worst places. They didn't include some of the worst cities, some of the most deadly places. But when the real numbers came out, I turned out to be right.
Joe Rogan
But I haven't gotten- You turn out to be right, but then there's another problem. Unreported crime is way up because people have lost, look, the morale that the police department has in a lot of these cities where they've done this defund the police bullshit. The morale of these poor cops, it's fucking horrible.
It's the dumbest idea of all time. But what they've done is they've made these cops feel terrible, like good cops. I think cops are just like everybody else.
Most of them are great. It's like everybody else. But if you run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job in your house, you say, carpenters fucking suck.
But they don't suck. Most of them are great. And that's the key thing with cops.
But the point is they did all of these things in this very foolish way. And these cops are suffering the consequences of it. And so subsequently, what happens is a lot of crime is unreported.
A lot of crime, like you call the cops. They're too busy. They can't even get to you or your house got broken into.
Sorry. You know, it doesn't even make a report. There's a lot of people that they just give up.
Donald Trump
It's so sad what's happened. And I'll tell you what, I go to police funerals and we went to one in Long Island. I visited the family in Long Island, a very big deal.
It's so dangerous. People don't realize the car, dark windows, pull over. He's a gentleman.
Please pull over. Door opens. Guy comes out firing.
Even if they were allowed to pull out their gun, which they're not, they can't, you know.
Joe Rogan
Do it in time.
Donald Trump
They still wouldn't have time.
Joe Rogan
It's every cop's first nightmare.
Donald Trump
They open a door and he was killed and his partner was hurt. He was killed. And you don't have, I mean, you don't even have an eighth of a second to think.
And it is such a dangerous job. That in particular, think of it. You go up to a car, you don't know who's sitting there with a gun.
And if they have a gun, you really don't have a chance. You're not allowed to have your gun out, by the way. Yep, they're very strict rules.
So, number one, they're in it. But even if you could have your gun out, the door opens and bullets start firing out, you know, and especially where they have the dark windows, where they have the darkened windows. It is such a dangerous profession.
And it's very hard to get cops now because they're not given any backup. And you're right. You know, they have like an eighth of a second to make a decision that's going to change their life.
If they make the wrong decision, they're going to end up with a front page of every newspaper in the country and they're going to lose their house and their pension and their job and their wife is going to be gone and everything's going to be gone.
Joe Rogan
And here's another thing that people don't talk about. How many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them.
These guys are seeing people shot all the time. You know, I've talked to a ton of cops about it. And, you know, a lot of cops commit suicide.
A lot of cops are deeply depressed.
Donald Trump
But we have to give them back their dignity. We have to. We can't.
We just have to give it back. You said it so good. You never hear anybody say that.
You're never going to have it perfect. You're going to have a bad apple. In everything, in every profession.
But every time there's a bad apple, that gets massive publicity and it taints everybody.
Joe Rogan
But it's also this very irresponsible thing where people say defund the police, get rid of the police. You know, even Kamala Harris was a part of that. It's a very stupid way to look at it.
What you should do is fund the police. You should have better training. You should have cops that feel more appreciated.
You should have something that helps mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffer through.
Donald Trump
She was a big part of defund the police. That was a big thing for her. Defund the police.
Always defund the police.
Joe Rogan
Well, it's a political idea.
Donald Trump
Anybody with that political thought, I don't think should be running for president. And I think people are getting wise to it. You know, we're doing pretty well now.
I don't know. Maybe in a week from now, say, sorry about that. I was wrong.
But we're leading everything. And I think we're going to have a very good election. But I tell people, because people are starting to get to know her.
But she was defund the police. She was all these transgender operations. You know, if you wanted a sex change and you were in detention and you demanded a sex change, they would give you a sex change.
Joe Rogan
Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free sex change to illegal immigrants. That's right. In detention.
That is the wildest thing. Is that the biggest problem you have? You just walked here from Guatemala.
You need to become a girl.
Donald Trump
But she was in favor of it. Yes. So think of it.
Now she changed. She's changed 15 policies. In fact, I'm going to send her a MAGA cap.
Joe Rogan
She stole your idea about no tax for tips.
Donald Trump
I came up with this idea that honestly, nobody ever heard of. And now it took her two months. But you know what?
Joe Rogan
All of us caught fire.
Donald Trump
And she just put it into a little speech.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Donald Trump
Well, I think we still have that issue. I think that issue is a good one for us. But now we have a lot of good issues.
You know, we had the other day. Think of how simple some of these things are. We're trying to get cars built in the United States.
Detroit has been really tough. It's been a disaster. They have a huge factory, a huge car auto plant being built by China in Mexico.
Make cars, sell them in the United States, put everybody out of business, right? Here we go again. I said, if that plant is there when I'm president, I will put 100% or 200% tariffs on every car.
They'll be unsellable in the United States. And they just announced they're not going to build the plant because they think I'm going to win. Think of it.
They're not going to build the plant. This was the biggest plant in the world. It would have more than all of Michigan makes.
That's how big. You know, this is what we're getting to. And I said, if that plan goes up, I want them to understand if I win, I'm going to tax those cars at the rate of 100% or 200% apiece so that you won't be able to sell them in the United States.
They just announced they're not going to build the plant.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I read that.
Donald Trump
I did a big favor for our country by doing that. And I'm not even there yet. To me, the most beautiful word, and I've said this for the last couple of weeks, in the dictionary today, is the word tariff.
It's more beautiful than love. It's more beautiful than anything. It's the most beautiful word.
This country can become rich with the use, the proper use of tariffs.
Joe Rogan
Did you just float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs?
Donald Trump
Well, okay. Were you serious about that? Yeah, sure.
But why not? Ready? Our country was the richest, relatively, in the 1880s and 1890s.
A president who was assassinated named McKinley. He was the tariff king. He spoke beautifully of tariffs.
His language was really beautiful. We will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs and take our factories and take our workers and take our families unless they pay a big price. And the big price is tariffs.
And he'd speak like that, but he was right. And then around in the early 1900s, they switched over stupidly to, frankly, an income tax. And you know why?
Because countries were putting a lot of pressure on America. We don't want to pay tariffs. Please don't.
You know, they, believe me, they control our politicians. If you look at the kind of numbers that these guys make then and now. But we had a commission meeting in the, I think it was 1887.
Think of this problem. We were so rich. We had so much money.
We didn't know what to do. So they set up a blue ribbon commission on tariffs. And the sole purpose is what to do with all the money we had.
We were so rich because we were taxing other people for coming in and taking our jobs. And China does it. If you want to open a factory and sell cars, if you build a factory or have a factory, they don't take our cars.
They wouldn't take our cars. But if you build a plant in China, you can do that. Elon did that.
By the way, Elon is great. That guy is such a great guy. I think you're a fan of Elon.
He is from a different planet. He's the greatest guy. That rocket coming in.
I told the story once or twice. So you may have heard it because his speeches have been good. Did you see the one last night?
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Donald Trump
29,000 people. And the one the night before was the same thing. We are rocking and rolling.
But Elon, I'm talking to this very important guy. I said, wait a minute. I'm looking at something.
The television's unmuted, right? And I see this rocket. It's all brown from the heat.
10,000 degrees pouring down at thousands of miles an hour. And I see this thing. It's like a 20-story building.
And I say to this guy, who's an important guy, wait a minute. Let me just put you down. Hold it.
I got to see this. And I see this, and it's going to crash. I say, it's going to crash into the gantry.
They call it a gantry. I said, oh man, that's going to be a disaster because it's starting to get very close. And then all of a sudden, you see the flames in the bottom.
And then boom. And then you see the two arms grab it. Crazy.
And I forgot the guy. I had him on the phone. No, I called Elon.
I said, was that you? He said, that was me. And I said, who else can do that?
He said, nobody. Russia can't do it. The United States, nobody can do it.
You know, I set up Space Force. That was me. And that's the first time in 82 years that we opened another branch since the Air Force.
And that's going to be one of our most important things. But think of what Elon does. And he did one other thing that I never heard of it.
It's Starlink. I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different places. I followed it right down.
And they had no communication. The polls were all knocked down. And one of the guys in North Carolina said, could you do me a favor?
Do you know Elon Musk? Yes. He endorsed me.
By the way, he gave me the nicest endorsement to Tuffer. He said, the country's going to fail. You should do the same thing, Joe, because you cannot be voting for Kamala.
Kamala, you're not a Kamala person. I know you. I've watched you.
I know him better than he is. You know what? Without speaking to you, I think I know you maybe almost as well as your wife.
I have watched you for so many years. You're not a Kamala person. You're a Khabib person, but you're not a Kamala person.
Nobody's going to know who Khabib is. But he was not bad, right? Oh, he was phenomenal.
But that's your kind of person.
Joe Rogan
Your weave is getting wide.
Donald Trump
We're getting wide with this weave. I want to bring it back to tariffs. But wait, before we finish with tariffs.
So they said, could you get him? We need Starlink. And I call Elon.
He got it for him so fast. Saved so many lives. And I said, how was it?
They said, better than the wires. They couldn't put them in. They were all gone.
Joe Rogan
So I used it recently in Utah in the mountains.
Donald Trump
Did you find it good? Oh, it's phenomenal.
Joe Rogan
It's the size of an iPad. You just set it down on the ground. You get high speed internet.
It's incredible.
Donald Trump
We're spending, just to show you, we're spending a trillion dollars to get cables all over the country, right? Up to upstate areas where you have two farms and they're spending millions of dollars.
Joe Rogan
Well, talk about the $42 billion that was wasted on this internet access program. They didn't get anybody.
Joe Rogan
They haven't hooked up one person.
Joe Rogan
Not one person. They spent $42 billion. They could have gotten Starlinks to everybody with that kind of money.
Donald Trump
For almost nothing. Yeah. For a monthly charge.
Joe Rogan
And it would have been incredible. And it's high speed internet everywhere you want to go.
Donald Trump
And he wanted to do that. And he wanted to do it. How about this?
They built the charger stations, right, in the Midwest. They built eight of them. They cost $9 billion.
That's like a gas pump, right? They built nine gas pumps, except electricity comes out. They spent $9 billion.
Three of them don't work. The whole thing. There's so much waste.
I could sit here and tell you about things that there's so much waste, abuse, and fraud.
Joe Rogan
Oh, there's, yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I think everybody's aware of that.
Donald Trump
Let's get back to tariffs.
Joe Rogan
When you're talking about, one of the criticisms of your administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increased the deficit. So what was the strategy behind that? And did you think it was going to increase the deficit by a substantial amount?
Donald Trump
OK. We were ready to rock. It was all, you know, I had a bad system.
We had horrible tax policy. I made it great. With a much lower tax rate.
So I took it from almost 40% down to 21%. Now I'm bringing it from 21% down to 15%. But only if you make your product in the United States, which is great.
People call me, they said, what a great idea. Nobody ever heard of that before. I don't care if they make the product in Japan.
Why should I give up? So it's a 21%. At 21%, in the first year, we took in much more revenue than we did at almost 40%.
Think of that. It inspired. Now we had other things, too.
We were able to get people to bring back their money. You couldn't bring back your money. If you had money in Europe, like Apple.
Apple had many billions of dollars outside. They couldn't bring it. There was no way to bring it back in.
The bureaucracy, the documents, the whole thing. And also the tax was too high. You know, they wanted like half of it or something.
Nobody's going to do that. So they leave their money in Japan and they spend their money there. That was part of what I did.
The money came pouring back in. Apple took in hundreds of billions of dollars. They brought it back from overseas.
They brought it in. So how does the deficit increase because of that? So what happened is this.
We were ready to rock and roll. And then we had the COVID thing. And we had to focus on that.
And if we didn't give some businesses a hand, they would have all... You would have had a depression like in 1929. But we were ready to start.
We were going to... We would have very shortly been paying off debt. You know, we have $35 trillion in debt.
And I'll never forget it. We were... It was talking about from the standpoint of being in office.
I'm in the Oval Office and I have John McLaughlin and Fabrizio, the two very good pollsters probably. I don't know. I would say the two best.
Who knows? But very good pollsters. And we're starting to think about running for a second term.
And we had the greatest economy in history. Never has there been an economy like...
Joe Rogan
And you attribute that to lowering taxes and tariffs.
Donald Trump
Yeah, a lot of it. Two things. And also, I cut regulations more than anybody else.
And if... I asked many of the businessmen, you know, from the big companies, you know, the guys running the big companies, I'd say, so if you had your choice, you've had it now for a long time, what's more important to you? The tax cuts, you paid less tax, or the regulation cuts?
Every one of them said the regulation cuts meant more. Who would think that, right? Because you don't equate it to dollars, but it actually is more dollars.
We had it going, and then we just had to focus on something else. But they were sitting there, these two pollsters were sitting there, and they said, Sir, if George Washington came back, and Abraham Lincoln was his VP, as opposed to Walz, how bad is he, by the way? But if Abraham Lincoln was his VP, they couldn't beat you.
You have... And I'll never forget it. The following day, they said, something's happening in China, Sir.
Could we meet? I said, what's happening? People are dying.
And it was all around the Wuhan lab, by the way. There are pictures with little lines, their body bags, all around the Wuhan lab. And I always said that from the beginning, Joe, was, you know, they tried to say...
First, they said it was France, and, you know, they blamed everybody. But then they say it was bats from a cave 2,000 miles away. So we got hit with that.
And despite that, we had the best economy. And when I gave it over, the stock market was higher than it was pre-COVID. I mean, nobody could even believe it.
But we saved it. And we were helping businesses. They were dying.
You know, they were dying.
Joe Rogan
So it's your belief that if you had a second term, given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming, that you would have been able to pay off a lot of the debt. And that was the strategy.
Donald Trump
If we didn't have COVID, we would have been paying off debt. And we would have had...
And don't forget, by growth, the word growth is actually more important in a way, because you could have the same debt. But if you doubled your growth, all of a sudden you're under levered. But still, we should pay off debt.
You know, if you viewed this $35 trillion right now, it's a lot. But if you look at the asset value, if you looked at it purely as an asset value, we have oil underground. We have water.
We have mountains. We have... I mean, the assets are so enormous.
But regardless of that, we've got $35 trillion in debt. We should pay it off. And we would have started paying off debt and probably even giving further tax reductions.
I want to get it down to 15%. We're going to do more business. But when you get hit with a COVID, everything stops.
And you have to keep these businesses alive. The businesses were dying. I mean, they were just dying.
This whole place, this country was going to die.
Joe Rogan
Are there influences outside of environmental that keep people from wanting to drill for oil and frack and do those sort of things outside of the environmental concerns, which are legitimate, of course? But are there other influences that may be over-accentuate or over-exaggerate these environmental effects? Are people being influenced in a way where they're trying to keep us from producing American oil?
Donald Trump
So the environmental is the biggest tool for stopping growth, the biggest tool. The other is regulation. And if you speak to Elon, he said the regulation now to send a rocket up to anywhere, even if you do everything, it's almost...
It's becoming impossible. But they use environmental in order to get people not to do anything. And sometimes I say, I look at some of the...
I know the environmental stuff better because I had to build buildings in New York. I had to do environmental impact studies. And I would see some of these guys that I'd hire for a lot of money, environmentalists that would get you through the process.
And they'd be up in Albany. That's the capital of New York. And they're up there trying to make it tougher for guys like me that were builders because they'd get paid more money.
In other words, I had one guy, highly recommended. You know, I was good at getting permits. I was one of the kings of...
I was always very good. But the environmental stuff was always horrible. They could slow a project down 10 years, 15 years.
I had a project in Louisiana, built big LNG plant. It was for 14 years. It was gonna cost $18 billion.
One of the biggest, like the Empire State Building, laying down on its side times four. Massive, on the coast, on the Gulf Coast. And they said, sir, they're gonna give it up.
I said, they shouldn't give it up. What's the problem? They can't get their environmental...
They had environmental permits that would fill this whole room up to the ceiling. And they said there was one mistake on one little line. They want them to do it all over again.
It's not gonna happen. And I got them their permit instantly. And they built the plant.
It's massive.
Joe Rogan
So when you're saying that...
Donald Trump
It's a weapon.
Joe Rogan
There's people that are making money by making it difficult.
Donald Trump
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Are you talking about lawyers?
Donald Trump
No, I'm talking about environmental consultants and lawyers.
Joe Rogan
Environmental consultants profit off of dragging out the process. And how do they profit?
Donald Trump
And I'd probably do the same thing about with them, to be honest with you.
Joe Rogan
How do they do that? How do they make it?
Donald Trump
Let's say New York, they go to Albany. Okay. And they convince people that if you have a certain type of plant on the ground that's this big and in theory valueless, it's a rare plant and you cannot even touch it.
You can't go near it. You can't put a building on it. You can't do anything.
Or there's a little puddle. And they call it a lake. And you have to go by the standards of a lake.
I said, no, no, that's a puddle. Oh, you have no idea. Guys are filling a little puddle.
You have no idea what they do. And they use it as a way to stop you.
Joe Rogan
They use it as a way to stop you and also as a way to generate money. I'm curious...
Joe Rogan
How are they generating money that way though? Well, they get fees. They get fees.
Massive fees.
Joe Rogan
And you pay these guys. People rely on them as experts because they're the people that they go to when they have to run these studies in the first place.
Donald Trump
But some of them are just bad guys and they're trying to make it more and more difficult.
Joe Rogan
And they have a lot of power.
Donald Trump
Yeah, I think they maybe had more. They didn't have as much with me because I would get through them. And I understood it.
Look, I've done so many... They call it environmental impact study. I did so much to build a building.
To build a building in New York is very tough. You got to be very... You got to deal with...
Think of it. Financing, unions, all the municipal stuff, environmental. Of all of it, to me, the toughest thing was the environmental because they could stop you cold with the environmental impact study stuff.
And you hire a so-called expert. They say, sir, he's the one guy he can get you through the morass. It's a morass.
It's horrible. They use it as a weapon. They use it all over the country.
Joe Rogan
Right, but there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact, correct? Like look about the BP oil spill. There's a lot of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating.
And you want to mitigate that as much as possible.
Donald Trump
You do. Look, during our four years, we had the cleanest air and the cleanest water. I view it differently.
I say air and water. Remember this, it costs much more to do things environmentally clean. China doesn't do anything.
When Kerry goes to see President Xi at China, which he probably doesn't even get to see him, but they look at him. Oh, yes, yes. We will do.
Oh, yes, yes. We're going to do that. No more coal, no more coal.
Just and then they approve 58 coal plants for the next, you know, every, they build a coal plant a week.
Joe Rogan
Okay, they build a lot of coal plants.
Donald Trump
But let me just tell you. So here we are cleaning and scrubbing everything and everything's got in the air has got to be pure. But in 3.8 days, that stuff floating over China is right over the top of us. Same thing with the oceans. They dump their garbage into the Pacific Ocean. If you take a little cork and put it there, in about a week and a half, it'll be in front of Los Angeles.
We're picking up their garbage. So nobody ever talks about that. But in a way, the bigger one is even the air.
It's the currents. It's an amazing thing. It's been flowing that way for a million years, a long before.
Joe Rogan
We share air with the whole world. Yeah. No, if we're cleaning.
We get the Sahara dust clouds over here. Absolutely. We get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara Desert.
Donald Trump
But we get the China, you know, they call it the China curse. We get the China curse, they're better and their air is dirty. You know, when I went there, I had a great relationship with President Xi.
We got along very well. And they treated me better than anybody has ever been treated. Same thing with Saudi Arabia, a number of them.
But they laid it out. And I said, this air is good. Do you know they closed every factory one week before I got there from within 200 miles.
Joe Rogan
That's like what Gavin Newsom did when Xi Jinping came to San Francisco.
Donald Trump
He cleaned it up.
Joe Rogan
He got rid of all the homeless people.
Donald Trump
Isn't that terrible in a way to think, you know? He cleaned it up and then it became a pigsty.
Joe Rogan
Well, the dumbest thing is he said when your friends come by, when you have visitors, you clean up your house. Like how about just keep your fucking house clean? Can you imagine?
It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anybody say ever as a governor as to excuse to why you finally cleaned up your homeless problem.
Donald Trump
And the day he left.
Joe Rogan
Right back to it.
Donald Trump
It went right back.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Donald Trump
But in a way, that was a bad thing that he did because he showed what a disgrace that was. What a disgrace.
Joe Rogan
Well, this is the thing that like shows you how foolish a lot of these people that are running these cities think. A lot of these people that are running these states think. It's foolish.
Like you, you're insulting the intelligence of the people that live in that city that are impacted by these people just camping and needles and human feces. There's an app that you can buy. There's an app that you can get rather that will show you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco.
It's a poo app and it's everywhere. It's just bum crap everywhere.
Donald Trump
But let me give you one that you may not know.
Joe Rogan
Okay.
Donald Trump
Which I think you know everything actually.
Joe Rogan
That's not true.
Donald Trump
As a student of yours. But water, you know, in Los Angeles, you can't get proper amounts of water. Right.
And it's unbelievably expensive. And you might have a house in Beverly Hills and they're actually thinking about rationing water. Can you believe it?
Joe Rogan
I can believe it.
Donald Trump
And I was in the farm court country with some of the congressmen. We're driving up a highway. And I say, how come all this land is so barren?
It's farmland and it looked terrible. It was just brown and bad. I said, but there's always that little corner that's so green and beautiful.
They said, we have no water. I said, do you have a drought? No, we don't have a drought.
I said, why don't you have no water? Because the water isn't allowed to flow down. It's got a natural flow from Canada all the way up north of water.
More water than they could ever use. And in order to protect a tiny little fish, the water up north gets routed into the Pacific Ocean. Millions and millions of gallons of water gets poured.
You got to see this. We're driving up and I had never seen it before. It's the most, it's like Iowa.
It's the most fertile land. Iowa's blessed with great land. Idaho for a potato, right?
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Donald Trump
But these, they're just, by the way, you know, some land is good for a potato. Some land is good for corn. It's the craziest thing.
I love the farmers. They're great. They're the greatest.
And by the way, they're getting killed right now. They are. They're getting killed because of this stupid administration.
But so I see this and I said, you got to be kidding. I said, you mean you have water? And I looked at it.
It's like a valve in your sink, except it's massive. The thing's five times taller than your ceiling.
Joe Rogan
Did you know the center of California was a giant lake?
Donald Trump
They have so much water.
Joe Rogan
You ever see what it looks like before they rerouted it?
Donald Trump
No, I never saw that, no.
Joe Rogan
The center of California, like, what is it, 200 years ago? How long ago did they do that, Jamie? The center of California had a fucking enormous lake in the middle of California.
So they dumped it into the Pacific. Who knows what they did. But whatever foolishness that they did led to the situation they're in now.
Donald Trump
Think of those dry forests that burned down all over. You know, the head of Austria said, you know.
Joe Rogan
Tulare Lake or Tachi Lake. It's a freshwater lake in the southern San Joaquin Valley, United States. Historically, Tulare Lake was one of the largest freshwater lakes west of Mississippi.
Show a photo of what it looked like back then. It's a great system. So that's what it looked like.
Look at that image. Now, go to the one on the third from the right. Yeah.
Yeah. That was an enormous lake in the middle of California.
Joe Rogan
Imagine that. That'd be much more valuable property.
Joe Rogan
How crazy is that? But how crazy is that's what it used to look like.
Joe Rogan
And human beings screwed that up. No, they let it go into the Pacific and then they did something.
Joe Rogan
I don't know what they did. What did they do that, how did it go missing? Yeah, they drained it.
Nineteen? Nineteen eighty three. Oh my God.
It went dry a handful of times. Oh, went dry a handful of times. Well, you know, lakes do go dry, but that's a big one.
Donald Trump
But think of it.
Joe Rogan
It's a big one to go dry.
Donald Trump
You could have all of the water you need. All of that land would have more water. The whole thing could be like that little patch.
Literally, I'd say, I was with Devin Noon as a congressman and other congressmen. We were going up. I was visiting that because they asked me to go up and visit their territory and I did.
But I kept saying, look at this land. It's beautiful, but it's so dry. And I thought they were going through like a desert, like a drought.
They said, no, we have water, but it gets through. So I looked into it. What is the fish?
And I got it done. I got it done. I could have water for all of that land.
Water for your forests. You know, your forests are dry as a bone. Yeah.
OK. Dangerous. That water could be routed.
You know, you could have everything. Not only dangerous. Billions of dollars a year they spend on forest fires.
And, you know, there's a case with the environment. They're not allowed to rake their forests because you're not allowed to touch it. When a tree falls down after 18 months, it becomes very dry.
It's like, you know, like real firewood. It's bad. You know, a tree that's up.
These are all things I learned the hard way, the easy way. But when a tree is up, it sucks water. It's wet.
I went to that. They had a couple of horrible forest fires in California. And I went.
I said, you know, you had a lot of trees standing. Yes, they were healthy trees. I said with this intense heat that you could see they were charred a little bit on the bottom, but they were going to be all right because they're soaking wet because they suck up the water.
Right. But when they fall. Right.
They're like, you know, it's like lighting a match.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Donald Trump
And you've got to be able to clean. They call maintain your forest. So with the head of Austria, he said, you know, it's a shame.
I see all those forest fires in California and all they have to do is clean their forest, meaning rake it up, get rid of the leaves, get rid of, you know, leaves that are sitting there for five years and they certainly get rid of the dead fall and get rid of the trees that have fallen, you know, or like so many things. It's kind of, by the way, could you had it all done for us, though?
Joe Rogan
I don't think you could rake the whole forest. I think you get rid of the dead fall.
Donald Trump
But raking all you could certainly get rid of the dead. OK, that's the real issue. You know, environmentally, they don't want to do that.
They don't. They said, you know, it's got to be nature and all this stuff. But in the meantime, this is exactly.
Yeah, but you could have. So it was the Department of Commerce that needed the approvals. But Gavin Newsom had to sign them.
I got it all done. Nobody could believe it. It was all done.
I said, I got it. You got so much water. All you have to do is sign.
And that guy didn't want to sign.
Joe Rogan
Did he not want to sign because that would be a political victory for you?
Donald Trump
I think no, he didn't. No, I don't think so. You know, he used to say he's a great president.
We got along. We did. We actually got along at that point.
But I think somebody said you just can't continue to call him a great president. You know, they do say that. But we had it all done.
He didn't sign. And then we got on to other things. And every time I go to California, you have so much water.
They don't know it. I'm telling you, people living in Beverly Hills, they turn off the water. Same thing with the electric.
They want to go to all electric cars, but they have brownouts every weekend.
Joe Rogan
Well, right after they made the announcement that as of 2035, you're not going to be able to buy an internal combustion engine in California. Within a month, they had some announcement asking people to not charge their Teslas. Because the grid couldn't handle it.
Well, how are you going to handle it?
Donald Trump
I will terminate the mandate immediately.
Joe Rogan
Just a mandate.
Donald Trump
That will be done, I would say, in my first day, maybe two days. Let me ask you about nuclear.
Joe Rogan
One of the things that when I've talked to people that have a real understanding of nuclear power, what their position is, it's probably the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we could generate. And that the fears of nuclear power are really about a few disasters, the Fukushima, Three Mile Island. These are old systems, and they're much more capable now.
And they're capable of making even better systems. But it's a difficult political issue. Because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl.
That's what everybody does. They have this connection. They're headed to the potential disaster, or Fukushima.
Donald Trump
Where you're not supposed to enter the land for 3,000 years or something.
Joe Rogan
It's crazy. I think it's worse than that. I think that area is going to be radioactive for probably longer than you could imagine.
But the point is, they're better at it now.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Joe Rogan
And that they could do it now. And you can generate power in a way that you don't have to worry about these. One of the most ridiculous things is electric cars being powered by coal-fired plants.
It's a ridiculous thing.
Donald Trump
So it's happening.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it is what's happening. And people want to think they're being green.
Donald Trump
Well, you look at the way the batteries are made. But here's the other thing. We don't have, well, we do actually.
It's being held. We have certain areas where we have great raw earth material. And we're not allowed to use it because of the environment.
And we have areas in California that have incredible raw earth. And they're not allowing. And I'm going to open it up.
I'm going to let them use it.
Joe Rogan
But how do you do that? How do you do that and protect the environment?
Donald Trump
Because the environment is going to be protected. You can do it. You can make a lake out of it.
OK, we'll put back a lake. I mean, something nice about lakes. You can do things magnificently.
Joe Rogan
You just have to do it carefully and responsibly.
Donald Trump
Absolutely. You have to do it carefully. But the problem, you know, China has all of those areas, most of those areas.
And yet when they say go electric with the cars, China is going to be the one that gives us the cars. All of those guys in Detroit are going to be out of business. You're going to make your electric cars over there.
We have a thing called gasoline. And we have more oil and gas under our feet than any other nation. You know, I had in Alaska, there's a find.
It's called Anwar. I got it approved. Reagan couldn't get it.
Nobody could get it. I got it all done. It was amazing.
They were getting ready to start drilling. The equivalent, they think, of Saudi Arabia. One of the biggest finds in the world.
It was all set to go. And Biden comes in. One of his first orders were, we're not going to use it.
It would have been so good for them. We could have supplied all of Asia with oil and gas.
Joe Rogan
What was the negative of it?
Donald Trump
And you talk about money.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Donald Trump
The negative was politically, they didn't think it was good for them. That's all.
Joe Rogan
That's all it was. So you don't think that it's environmentally dangerous?
Donald Trump
Taking it from way down deep in the earth, environmentally, it would have been fine.
Joe Rogan
So it can be done responsibly? Oh, otherwise, let's not say environment.
Donald Trump
Well, I think windmills. Okay. So they talk about windmills.
I think windmills are really disruptive. When you talk about the environment, they killed the birds. You want to see a bird cemetery?
Go under a windmill someday that hasn't been cleaned out with all the bird carcasses. It's like massive amounts of birds.
Joe Rogan
Well, they're also a massive eyesore. I went to a ranch in South Texas. We had to drive past this enormous windmill farm.
And it's gross. It's dystopian. You're looking in the left and the right, and all you see is these big spinning machines that aren't even that effective at generating electricity.
Donald Trump
Most expensive form of electricity is a windmill. And then they start to rust and rot.
Joe Rogan
And you have to replace them?
Donald Trump
And then they get abandoned by the people that built them.
Joe Rogan
Well, you have to get rid of all that material, too. When you replace those blades, now you have a problem because you have to dispose. You have to dispose these enormous windmills.
Donald Trump
And how do you dispose of them? So I even questioned that, but I'm not going to get into it. But they say you can't bury them.
So you have the blades and you can't bury the blades. You can bury the blades. It's not going to matter.
You can bury them. You'll find areas you can bury. But they come up.
This is what I mean. They come up with this. But the environmentalist dream is windmills.
You know what happens to them? After five years, they start to rot. After 10 years, you have to replace them.
Did you ever look at certain parts of California where they have heavy windmills and they've been abandoned? And they're all different manufacturers in all different companies. And they haven't seen that.
It is the ugliest thing. It looks like a graveyard, almost a graveyard of windmills. It's pollution.
It's so bad.
Joe Rogan
It's no different than leaving garbage on the ground.
Donald Trump
How about in New Jersey, off the coast of New Jersey, they want to build. The people are going crazy not to build them. But we have them.
The whales are washing up on shore. Right. So in 50 years, they had one whale come ashore.
Now they had like 18 come in the last year.
Joe Rogan
What is the what is happening with the whales? I've read about this.
Donald Trump
Well, they say that the wind drives them crazy. You know, it's a vibration because you have those. You know, those things are 50 story building.
Some of them.
Joe Rogan
Right. And they're super sensitive to vibration.
Donald Trump
They have those, you know, the wind is rushing. The things are blowing. It's a vibration and it makes noise.
You know what it is? I want to be a whale psychiatrist. It drives the whales freaking crazy.
Yeah, something happens with them. But for whatever reason, they're getting washed up on shore. And, you know, and yet the environment is ignored by the environment.
They don't talk about it.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Donald Trump
I think there's nothing ugly. I see it in Scotland. I see it all over the world.
You have this beautiful valley. It's been there for, you know, in civilization, thousands of years, but millions of years. And all of a sudden you have these ugly windmills up.
Joe Rogan
Would your plan to replace that with nuclear? What would you do?
Donald Trump
Well, nuclear is better. I mean, I think there's a little danger of nuclear. But, you know, we had some really bad nuclear.
They did one in Alabama. They did one in, I think, South Carolina. They do them wrong.
They build these massive things. Then the environmentalists get in. I don't want to go into a long story because it's too long for the show.
This show is too valuable to talk about concrete. But they have hardened concrete. It's number 12 concrete.
It's harder than steel. It's incredible. They put up a wall and an inspector comes along those lines.
Nope, nope. You're a quarter of an inch. The wall might be eight feet wide.
You're a quarter of an inch too short. I'm sorry. You got to rip down the wall.
You got to because it's got to be poured contiguously, right? You're one quarter of an inch. I'm sorry.
I ripped down. You can't rip it down. This stuff, you can't put a hammer through it.
You can't. It's incredible. Concrete technology is unbelievable what, you know, what's happened.
You think of concrete.
Joe Rogan
So you think that's an example of over-regulation?
Donald Trump
Pointless over-regulation. Well, you have an inspector that comes along and he says take down a 25 zillion dollar wall. These things ended up costing 25 billion dollars.
And one of them never got opened. But here's the story. So France does it.
France is largely nuclear. And they build small little compact plants. And if they need more, they build the same thing and they hook it up.
And they hook it up. Because they get too big and too complex and too expensive. And it is very clean.
They say it's absolute. You know, my uncle, I had a great uncle who was a great genius just like other members of my family. But he was a professor at MIT for, I think, 41 years.
He was a longest serving. When I was in the White House, the head of MIT, Princeton and Harvard came down to meet me. And the MIT person said, I have a book on your uncle, Dr. John Trump. He was a longest serving professor. He was a great genius, sir. Do you know how?
And he knew everything about nuclear, from math to chemistry to nuclear. He knew it. And he said, someday it's going to be the way to go.
But the problem is it's so dangerous in terms of war. He said, Donald, someday, and this was a long time, Uncle John, Dr. John Trump, he said, someday you'll have a little satchel at your side and you'll go into a building and you'll be able to blow up New York City. I said, Uncle John, that'll never happen.
He's right. You know, he's right.
Joe Rogan
Well, that was part of the problem with giving nuclear power to other countries, right? Like, that was the problem that happened with India and Pakistan. They got nuclear power and then they were able to weaponize it.
Donald Trump
The biggest problem in the world today is not global warming. It's nuclear warming. And we have idiots that are negotiating for us.
We have a guy that doesn't make it past four o'clock. And it's not because of age. They ought to.
I know so many guys in their late 80s and they're better than. I said to one guy, I think you're smarter than you were 25 years ago. I've known him a long time.
He's 89 years old. He's sharp. I mean, he's great.
Biden gives people a bad name because that's not an old. That's not an age. I think they say it because I'm three or four years younger.
I think that's why they say it. They say his age. It's not his age.
He's got a problem. Two major brain surgeries.
Joe Rogan
He did.
Donald Trump
Those are not good operations.
Joe Rogan
And do you see what he did today? He went running towards the camera and made some apology to Native Americans. And he said that's why he's headed out west.
Like he's off the reservation, so to speak, for lack of a better term.
Donald Trump
You know, it's interesting because during the debate. I was looking over, I'm saying this is strange. It's just sort of like strange things were happening.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, but he couldn't keep it together. But do you think they knew he couldn't keep it together? I think that they wanted.
Is that why? Like historically, that debate was earlier than they've been in the past, right?
Donald Trump
I think they wanted to. Well, there's a lot of theories. A lot of people said do the debate now and we'll get him out.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Donald Trump
I think that maybe could be.
Joe Rogan
Well, that is what happened. So it's logical.
Donald Trump
I think they also said do the debate now and get it over with.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Donald Trump
I don't think anybody thought he was going to get out, really. I don't make any sense. The debate.
The debate got him out. But but I think it's very unfair. Look, you have a bad debate.
His numbers went down. But I think she's not doing very well right now. And I think she looks.
Joe Rogan
Well, I want to get to that, too, because it's hard to know. Like the whole poll thing is very bizarre for most people, because most people don't answer polls. So they read the polls.
Donald Trump
Were you ever called from a poll? I was never called by a poll system.
Joe Rogan
If I did, I wouldn't answer. I'm busy.
Donald Trump
You know how polls are done. Oh, I'm going to get myself in trouble.
Joe Rogan
But so I really don't believe too much in him. So well, 2016 taught a lot of people about the ineffective. Well, they were very ineffective because I thought I was doing well.
Donald Trump
I'd go to a place and I'd have 30,000, 40,000 people. Hillary would go. They have 500 people.
And they tell me I'm going to lose. I said, why am I going to lose? I had 40,000 people.
She had 200 people. But, you know, I have a theory. These pollsters, they charge you a lot of money, too.
You know, they charge you half a million bucks to do some stupid poll. And they interview like 251 people. I don't think they interview in many cases.
I don't want to get myself in too much trouble. It's bullshit. No, I think they sit there.
They make a deal. They get a half a million bucks. And they say Trump's leading 51 to 49.
They announce it. And everybody says, oh, do you understand? I don't think they I think in a lot.
Look, I'm a very common sense person. I think that they probably don't always poll. Some of them probably never poll.
What's the difference between 49 to 51 and 47 and a half?
Joe Rogan
Well, it's also a tiny percentage of the population. I don't think it's representative of the overall population. I just don't.
Donald Trump
I don't know of one person in my whole life that ever got called by a pollster.
Joe Rogan
Exactly. That's my point. So here's here's my question.
Donald Trump
But I shouldn't say that because I'm doing very, you know, really well in the polls. But I think that's so this week, I happen to believe in a verse. I only believe they're good.
No, I like them this month. But no, I honestly believe that there's probably a lot of fraud. I had a poll, Washington Post, ABC in the Hillary thing on Wisconsin.
They had me down 17 points the day before the election. I knew it was wrong because I had a rally. I had 29,000 people at a racetrack and it was like zero degrees, Wisconsin.
And they had me down 17 points. In other words, you had no chance. And I won.
And I called up my pollsters. Good guy. Good, good guy.
And I believe he's legitimate. And, you know, some of them are. Some of them are.
I said, tell me, why did they have me down so much? I mean, nobody's going to believe them the next time. They said they don't care.
When you're down 17 points, people are going to stay home. They're not going to vote because they're going to say, I love Trump, but I'm not going to waste my time. It's cold out.
I said, but why don't they make it four or five? He said at four or five, they're going to go and vote at 17. They're not going to go.
So think of it.
Joe Rogan
I was seven.
Donald Trump
This is a Washington Post, ABC poll. I was down 17 points in Wisconsin and I won. It's crooked stuff.
Joe Rogan
There's a lot of crooked stuff. And I wanted to talk about that, too, because one of the things that people talk about with you is the denial of the results. And I think J.D. Vance did a brilliant job the other day when he was being interviewed and they asked him, did Trump lose the 2020 election? And he turned it around and said, was there legitimate election interference in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media? And was that a concerted effort?
Donald Trump
Well, they say it made a 10 point difference and I lost by one tenth of a point. They say it was 22,000 votes. But look, it was much more than that.
And I appreciate J.D. Vance saying that. And by the way, I think he was a great pick. Do you like J.D.? I like him a lot. You're allowed to say that. No, I do.
Joe Rogan
I like him a lot. I think he's a brilliant guy. And I think his ability to talk like a normal human being.
He did. You did my friend Theo Vance podcast, right? And he just did it.
Joe Rogan
How did he do?
Joe Rogan
He did great. And he just talks like a normal human being.
Donald Trump
Is that why you called me to do this?
Joe Rogan
No, no, I was.
Donald Trump
He was a nice guy.
Joe Rogan
Once they shot you, I was like, he's got to come in here. It's all about timing. It's all about the timing.
The timing is good. I think the timing is perfect.
Joe Rogan
Do you even have a scar on your ear? You got anything on there?
Joe Rogan
I do.
Joe Rogan
What do we say? Right over here. That's a tiny little mark.
Donald Trump
It zicked right there. It healed up pretty fucking good. Yeah, it's pretty good.
It's not like some of the wrestlers, some of the UFC fighters. No, you didn't get cauliflower. No, it was sort of like a top shot.
The point of the bullet was over the edge. But you see, the thing's taken off a little bit. But it makes me a tougher guy.
You know, the fighters love their... You know, Bo Nickel is a great fighter.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I love Bo Nickel.
Donald Trump
How's he going to do? I think he's terrific.
Joe Rogan
He's great. He's a fantastic fighter.
Donald Trump
He was almost like undefeated in college.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, he's a fantastic wrestler and one of the best mixed martial artists.
Donald Trump
When is he fighting again?
Joe Rogan
He's fighting in Madison Square Garden in November.
Donald Trump
Oh, that's going to be after the election? Yep. So I'll either go as president or I'll be depressed and I won't bother.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I think they're having a fight right now.
Joe Rogan
One of the things that was fascinating also was the denial of the election results is a pretty common thing. Hillary Clinton famously denied that. She called you an illegitimate president and she said that Russia put you in place.
Donald Trump
Even though she conceded.
Joe Rogan
Yes.
Donald Trump
You know, she conceded the night of the election because she was beaten.
Joe Rogan
Yes. And it was a thing that was pretty common for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections. There's been many of them.
The Bush administration, the, you know, the dangling chads, all that stuff.
Donald Trump
Well, look at these guys in Congress, all these sleazebags in Congress that are Democrats. They're still denying 2016. But now they don't so much because, you know, they try and pin it on me.
You don't hear them say.
Joe Rogan
But here's my point.
Donald Trump
They denied it right up until the end.
Joe Rogan
My point is this idea of election fraud is a forbidden topic and you get labeled an election denied. It's like being labeled an anti-vaxxer if you question some of the health consequences that people have from the COVID-19 shots. Oh my God, you're an anti-vaxxer.
If you say, and what I say publicly, and I've said this a lot, it's not zero percent. So if you ask me, what is the amount of election fraud in this country? Is it zero percent?
No one thinks it's zero percent. I've never met one person, not a super liberal, progressive, far left person or a right wing conservative. Not one person thinks it's zero percent.
They think when you have human beings and also you have a lot of weirdness that was going on during the 2020 elections, particularly with mail-in ballots.
Donald Trump
And you had legislatures that had to approve and they didn't approve and they went out and did it anyway. And you had ballot, you had old fashioned ballot screwing. I mean, you had people going up and dropping in phony votes.
You had unsigned ballots, et cetera, et cetera.
Joe Rogan
There's certain people that think that they have, and the rhetoric is also that you're Hitler and that in order to stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it takes.
Donald Trump
That was okay, yeah.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. And this is, I mean, you're hearing this now. Kamala compared you to, said your love of Hitler yesterday.
Donald Trump
You know, Kamala is a very low IQ person. She's a very low IQ. You know, I'm for taking tests too.
I think anybody that runs for president should take, they should give them tests. And it's not an age thing. It's not based.
If you look back on history, 70s and 80s, your greatest, some of your greatest leaders in the world, world history, longtime world history. They were in their 70s and their 80s. But I think you should take cognitive tests.
I think everybody, they say it's unconstitutional, but I think.
Joe Rogan
That's ridiculous.
Donald Trump
I think Kamala should have a test because there's something missing. There's something wrong with her.
Joe Rogan
Well, I think it's pressure. I think the pressure and the scrutiny, you've been a celebrity for a long time and you understand what this is like. But for someone who's in her late 40s, who becomes the vice president, who runs for president, becomes the vice president, and then all of a sudden the weight of the world is on your shoulders and there's all these people paying attention.
A lot of people clam up.
Donald Trump
But you either have it or you don't. Correct. Look, this is an interview.
We've covered a lot of territory, right? And, you know, it's fine. I don't care.
I want to. I think it's much more interesting. She, to do an interview with Anderson Cooper, a softball, crazy softball interview.
She took two days off and she studied and studied all day long. And then she comes out with a result that was a real embarrassment. That was a really bad interview.
She couldn't answer a question. And every question is not answered. I mean, like, what would you do your first day in office?
OK, I'll build a wall. I won't build a wall. There's a hundred things you can say.
Just say anything, right? There's something off with her. Well, we're dealing with the smartest people.
They hate when I say, you know, when the press, when I call President Xi, they said he called President Xi brilliant. Well, he's a brilliant guy. He controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist. I mean, he's a brilliant guy, whether you like it or not. And they go crazy.
Joe Rogan
Right. It doesn't mean he's not evil or it doesn't mean he's not.
Donald Trump
Yeah, of course. Dangerous. But actually, we have evil people in our country.
Yes. If you have a smart president, he can deal with Russia. He can deal with all of it.
Russia would have never gone into Ukraine if I were president.
Joe Rogan
How would you have stopped it?
Donald Trump
Automatic. Two things. I told him.
I said, Vladimir, you're not going in. I used to talk to him all the time. You're not going in.
I can't tell you what I told him because I think it would be inappropriate. But someday he'll tell you. But he would have never gone in.
But you know why else he wouldn't have gone in? Oil prices at $40 a barrel wouldn't have allowed him. Wouldn't have given him the money to prosecute that war.
Wouldn't have given him the money. I said it with President. I was with President Xi.
I said it was almost the same conversation with Vladimir. It was Moscow with President Xi. It was Beijing.
It was almost the exact same conversation. I said, don't do it. He would have never done it.
The day I left, they flew 28 bombers over the middle of Taiwan. 28 bombers. And it's the apple of his eye.
And the same thing with Russia. It's the apple. Ukraine is the apple of his eye.
I used to talk to him. I had a very good relationship with him. He wouldn't have done it.
He would have never done it. But he also wouldn't have done it because of the oil. You know, one of the reasons that what happened is, number one, he doesn't respect Biden at all.
Not even a little bit. And who the hell would? But he doesn't respect him.
But when he saw what happened in Afghanistan, how horribly that was handled. Number one, you take the soldiers out last, not first. Okay, that was their big mistake.
And we had that thing charted out. And they weren't obeying us. They weren't.
Abdul is the head of the Taliban. Boom, boom. He had to do all these things.
Some he didn't do. I said, nope, you're not doing you got to do them all. This guy took he immediately took all.
He left the equipment behind 13 soldiers dead, but he took everybody out. He took his soldiers out before a child would know. That's where Millie was so stupid.
He was such a stupid guy, Millie. Okay, those generals should have all been fired. The Afghan, the people that were involved with Afghanistan should have all been fired.
Then they'd be writing books about him, how stupid he was and bad he was. But you take your soldiers out last. I had a big rally and I saw a child in the front row about a year and a half ago.
And I called the child up. I said, do you mind if I borrow your child? Oh, yes, please.
And they came up kids five years. I gave him a quick details. You know, I said, we want to get out of this place.
And we have this and we have this and we have the equipment. I gave him a little thing. I said, do you take your soldiers out first or last after everything's done?
You take them out last, sir. A child would know that. We took our soldiers out first.
Joe Rogan
What was your plan?
Donald Trump
And we left Bagram.
Joe Rogan
Well, not only that, we left billions of dollars worth of equipment and military vehicles that they use for parades now.
Donald Trump
The best equipment yet to embarrass us. The best equipment in the world.
Joe Rogan
The Taliban parade where they've got tanks rolling down the streets and Blackhawks flying. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen.
Donald Trump
We left the best equipment in the world behind.
Joe Rogan
What would you have done differently?
Donald Trump
Well, number one, we would have taken it out. Just so you go back a little bit further. I had a couple of conversations with Abdul.
And from the time I had those conversations because they were shooting our soldiers, you know, with the sniper stuff, they were shooting. They were shooting a lot of them. They were shooting a lot with Obama, much less with me, but they were shooting them.
And I said, get this guy on the phone. The press went nuts when they heard this. I had a great conversation with it was a tough conversation.
18 months later, there wasn't one soldier that was ever shot at. And even Biden admitted it in a moment of stupidity because he shouldn't admit it. His people went nuts.
He said, yeah, well, I will admit no soldier. We didn't have a soldier killed in 18 months in Afghanistan. Not one soldier was killed because he understood what was going to happen if that happened.
I didn't have one. So then when I left after having gotten more votes than any sitting president in the history of the country and much more votes than he got in 2016, when I left, they started shooting our soldiers. But more importantly, what they did is they did that whole thing with, you know, leaving.
He shouldn't have left. Number one should have left from Bagram because Bagram is massive base. It's got tremendous acreage around it.
Tremendous. It's a very big it was built many years ago. And part of the reason you wouldn't have taken that is because it goes to China one hour from where China makes its nuclear missiles.
You should have never left Bagram. Number one, they should have left from Bagram. They should have left last.
They should have got, you know, we have Americans that are still there. They should have taken all their equipment out. Everything, every plane, every screw should have been taken out every tent.
And I said that that's when I realized that Millie was a dummy. I said, we're leaving, but I want to get everything out. Sure.
It's cheaper to leave it. I said, what do you mean cheaper to leave? He said it's cheaper to leave it.
That was cheaper, cheaper. He said it's cheap, not more dangerous. He just said cheaper.
I said, I want every plane. I want every tank. I want the goggles.
They have night goggles. They have all this stuff that these guys now have. He said, sir, it's cheaper to get out and leave it.
I said, so you think it's cheaper to leave $150 million brand new airplane in there than it is to fly it out with a tank of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just fly it directly back? It's cheaper to leave. I said, this guy's nuts.
I'm telling you, he was so stupid. He was so unwise. He was like an unwise man.
And there were a number of them. But I defeated ISIS with the greatest generals. I had a guy who was so great.
I flew to Iraq. And I met the real generals, not these idiots that we deal with. And we knocked out, you know, I defeated 100% of the ISIS caliphate.
They said it would take five years. I did it in a matter of a few, literally a few weeks. And we hit them hard.
And he said, sir, we're going to hit him here. We're going to hit him there. We're going to hit him here, there.
And I said, this guy's great. I like this guy. I was told it would take five years.
That's why I went. I said, how could it take five years? We have brand new fighters.
We have the best planes, the best weapons, the best guns, the best bombs. How could it possibly take that long? And I flew to, I flew and left at three o'clock in the morning.
Nobody knew I was going. I got on Air Force One and we started flying. And when we reached about half an hour away from Iraq, that was where the airport was, big airport, about a half an hour away, they said, sir, I'm sorry.
You'll have to turn off all your lights. Why? We're getting close to our site.
Our land. I said, I mean, we spent eight trillion dollars that we can't leave the lights. I think of this.
Twenty years, eight trillion dollars that we can't leave the lights on in a plane. I said, that's OK. Turn the lights on.
I'm not going to fight him.
Joe Rogan
That's what this is because it's too dangerous, too dangerous because they see the light up in the air and they'll shoot it.
Donald Trump
So I said, turn the lights off. Then they said, sir, we're going to also pull your shades if that's OK. The plane was pitch black.
All the lights outside, you know, the blinking, the blinking reds, they were all turned off. And I like to sit with pilots a lot of times. And these guys are specimens.
I always say they're better looking than Tom Cruise. OK, and they're even taller, like perfect specimens. These guys like for a fighter.
You know, you have some guys that are perfect specimens, right? And, you know, they pick they pick the best pilots in the Air Force, United States Air Force to fly Air Force One. And I get up there and I'm sitting and I'm feeling my way up.
You know, it's up 747 as you go through the stairs. But I sort of knew my way up. There wasn't a light in the plane.
I'm saying, can you imagine? We spent trillions of dollars and we're trying to fly in blind. But I got into the plane.
The cockpit is dark, black, little tiny light. You could see the pilot, a perfect looking human being. His copilot, everybody was perfect.
They were all like movie stars. You know, it's like I could have cast a movie with these guys and nobody would believe it because they were too good looking. So I said, how are we doing?
Sure, we'll be landing in 10 minutes. And I look outside. There's not a light.
And I'm saying, you know, I've landed a lot of planes. And you see like little lights at least. There's nothing.
It's just pure desert. And I said, OK, Captain, good. But I'm looking.
Now we're, you've been in many planes where it has the computer sign saying 1,000 feet. Now it goes 1,900, 800. It's a computer voice, but it sounds like, but it's incredible voice.
700. I say, Captain, are we OK? I'm looking.
Are we OK, Captain? There's no lights. And I'm looking, you know, normally when you land a plane.
Because I sit with the boss a lot. I think it's great. I think it's a great profession, everything.
It's incredible. They're incredible. These machines are incredible.
He said, sir, we're fine. No problem, sir. I said, you know, I don't see the lights up there, Captain.
Sure, we're OK, you know. So I mean, I'm exaggerating a little bit. You know, problem with exaggerating, it'll tell the story.
They'll say, Trump was a coward. So I'm sitting with him, you know, 500 foot. And I'm telling you, there wasn't a light on the runway.
Nothing. And we're going in. You OK, Captain?
Everything good? Yes, sir. No problem.
We'll be down in about one minute, sir. And I'm telling you, Joe, you know, there's always a light. There's not a little pin.
And all of a sudden, and you hear, wow, wow, perfect landing like glass. That's how good I mean, these guys between the equipment and it's genius. It's pure.
It was so dark. You couldn't see a thing. There was no runway.
You wouldn't know where the hell you are. You're in the middle of a desert. And then I got out of the plane.
I said, thank you, Captain. It's a great job. And then I get out of the plane and I'm going down and I see a general and another general.
And I see a staff sergeant, a drill sergeant and various guys, all central casting. Central casting. They said, sir, would you like to rest?
I said, I don't want to rest. I want to figure out what the hell are we doing with ISIS? I'm hearing we can't.
It's going to take years. No, sir. We can do it very quickly, sir.
And anyway, we go into the room. We go and I mean, Biden would have taken a nap for four days and then left without a meeting. So we go into the room and they have these guys.
I say, how long can you do it? How long? We can do it in a couple of weeks, sir.
I said, wait a minute. They told me five years. We can do it.
And he gave me a number like just like in no time. I said, why haven't you done it? Because the orders came in from Washington, sir.
And they would come here and tell us what to do. Don't you challenge us? We're not allowed to do that, sir.
That's not the military way. They tell us what to do and we have to respect them.
Joe Rogan
So do you think that it was incompetence why they didn't go after ISIS?
Donald Trump
I think it's a bad system. You know, when Mattis goes there or when Millie goes there, who's stupid, and they tell these guys that are actually smart what to do. And the guys that are smart are saying we don't like what they're doing, but they're not allowed to sort of counteract.
Plus, the guys that went there are arrogant. You know, they're arrogant fools. They're like stupid fools.
The way they pulled out of, you know, the way they, as an example, the way they pulled out of Afghanistan with the people falling off the planes. It was worse than Vietnam with the helicopters falling. It was so bad.
There was no reason for it. Anyway, so we knocked them out. And I mean, we have great military.
We have great people, but not the television guys. And I rebuilt the military and then they gave a chunk of it. I have to tell you, as much as it is, it's a tiny little piece.
Believe it or not, we have an unbelievable. I rebuilt the military. I rebuilt our nuclear.
And in a way, I hated to redo it. But I got to realize how powerful that nuclear is, Joe. One bomb, Israel is gone, but forget one bomb could take out the entire East Coast.
It's so bad. And I watched these poor fools talking about our oceans will rise one eighth of an inch over the next 500 years. I mean, we have people.
We have countries right now. You have five countries. And don't underestimate North North.
If you take a look at North Korea, they knew I was there. I mean, I was with Kim. I got along great with him.
You know, the president, he got along good. That's a good thing. It's not a bad thing.
It's a great thing. Obama thought we were going to go to war with North Korea. When I met with Obama just prior to the takeover, you know, you meet, you have a sort of a ceremonial meeting, but it lasted a long time, a lot longer than it was supposed to last.
I said, what's the biggest problem? He said, North Korea. By the time I finished, I was we had no problem with North Korea.
We were really it was a little tough at the beginning. Remember, he said, I have a red button on my desk. I said, I have a red button also.
But mine's bigger than yours. And mine works.
Joe Rogan
I like how you call them little rocket man.
Donald Trump
I said, I said, yeah, a little rocket. I said, little rocket, man, you're going to burn in hell. And it was a rough.
Yeah. Oh, so rough that people were worried. This is crazy.
And then one day I got a call. Sort of like a fight. I got a call.
You know, you ever see that pounding? Then all of a sudden. But I got a call.
And it was from him, meaning his people. They wanted to meet. They wouldn't meet Obama.
He tried to meet. They wouldn't even talk to him about it. And I think he expected to go to war.
I actually do. I believe he expected to go. And we checked their nuclear stockpile.
It is substantial. I mean, it's that's I said, you do anything. I got to know him very well.
I got to know him better than anybody, anybody. And I said, do you ever do anything else? Why don't you go take it easy and relax?
Go to the beach. You have beautiful beach, nice beachfront property. You know, kiddingly.
I said, you're always building nuclear. Just relax. You don't have to do it.
Let's build some condos on your shoreline. They actually have gorgeous stuff. And he said, I just have to do it because I need it for my safety.
I got to know him very well. We had no problem with him. If you have a smart problem, if you have a smart, really the right president, a smart president, you're not going to have a problem.
And I say to people, we have a bigger problem, in my opinion, with the enemy from within. And it drives them crazy when I use that term. But we have an enemy from within.
We have people that are really bad people that I really think want to make this country unsuccessful. When you look at what's happening at our border, Joe, when you have people coming in that when other countries are allowed to empty their prisons into our country with murderers, we had 13,099 murderers dropped in our country over the last three years.
Joe Rogan
And 15,000 rapists convicted.
Donald Trump
Rapists, drug dealers, drug lords. And that's just the ones that have been counted for. Correct.
People from mental institutions. What do you think this strategy is? Hundreds of thousands of major criminals, tougher and worse than anybody we have.
Joe Rogan
Well, we're seeing the consequences of it in San Antonio. They've taken over apartment buildings in Aurora, Colorado. They've taken over apartment buildings.
These Venezuelan gangs.
Donald Trump
Just the beginning.
Joe Rogan
What do you think the strategy is? One of the things that they've said is that you stopped a bill from being passed. But didn't that bill also include amnesty for the people that are already here?
Donald Trump
Joe, this is years after the fact. The damage was already done. But what was the bill?
Joe Rogan
The bill was nothing.
Donald Trump
It allowed two million people in. They were going to get amnesty. It was a horrible bill.
It didn't protect us at all.
Joe Rogan
But we should just tell people what the strategy is. So one of the things that's been very clear is that they've moved a large percentage of these migrants that are coming across the border illegally. They've moved them to swing states.
This is what's going on with Springfield, Ohio, right?
Donald Trump
They're in swing states? Well, that's not a swing state. I'm going to win Ohio by a lot.
So that's not a swing. But it's called Springfield, Ohio, to be exact. And Springfield, Ohio is this very nice community of 52,000 people that just had 32,000 migrants that don't speak the language dropped into their community.
You can't get into a hospital. You can't get into a school. It's gone from a beautiful little place to a horror show.
And the mayor is a nice guy. And the mayor says, we're looking for interpreters. I said, no, you've got to remove them and bring them back to their country.
Mostly Haitians in this case. But they speak no language. They speak no English.
Joe Rogan
No English, man.
Donald Trump
In fact, even the language they do speak, I mean, they can't get interpreters. They can't do anything. And the mayor's trying to be politically correct.
They're all trying to be. In Aurora, Colorado, you have the worst, probably the worst gang. MS-13 might even be, you know, those two are the worst gangs.
These are Venezuela gangs. They have taken over apartment complexes. And they're going to want to take over the whole thing.
And you have a weak governor, a pathetic governor, who's a radical left Democrat. He doesn't know what the hell to do. But you have it in many other communities, but they don't like to talk about it because it's, you know, it's bad for the community to talk about it.
These people have been let in here by this imbecile. She's, I mean it, she's a low IQ person. Low IQ.
Joe Rogan
Right, but it's also, it's obviously not just her. There's a strategy that's involved in letting these people in.
Donald Trump
She was in charge of the border.
Joe Rogan
Well, she's in charge of the border, but they also, they utilize that app. The app that used to be used. It used to be used, I think, essentially, wasn't it for shipping?
Wasn't it when people were in this country?
Donald Trump
It was used for shipping, and now it's used to deal with the cartels. The cartel, heads of the cartel, rich people, by the way. These are loaded.
These people have so much money. They would call up, think of this, they call up the app, and the app tells them where they should take their load of illegal migrants from the Congo. You know, we have a lot from the Congo, prisons in the Congo.
I made a little bit of a sarcastic joke. A man named Dana White, who you love, who I love. I assume you love him.
Joe Rogan
Love that dude.
Donald Trump
I think he's a class by him.
Joe Rogan
He's probably the reason why you're here. I don't know, maybe. He's one of the big ones.
Donald Trump
He is the greatest guy. You know, I always say, nobody's indispensable. You know, everybody can be replaced.
Maybe you can't be. You might not be. But Dana White, truly, I don't think...
You know, he sold it for $4 billion. I said, who the hell is going to pay $4 billion? And they made, like, a great deal.
Joe Rogan
Because of him. Take him out.
Donald Trump
I think it's a whole different...
Joe Rogan
No, he's the best promoter of all time.
Donald Trump
And he's also the greatest guy. He spoke at the whole thing with... You know, I had just been shot.
And he got up, and he spoke so better than anybody. I mean, who would be better to introduce you? I asked of all the people.
I know there's biggest people in the world, and they all would have loved to have done it. I said, Dana, would you do it? You know, it was interesting.
He was away. And he said to the people that... You know, one of my guys called.
He said, I won't be able to do it. I'm, gee, I just left with my wife and family. I won't.
I said, he said, no, yeah. I was a little surprised. Even though I knew he was very far away.
He was in some place, you know. And he deserved it with his family and the whole thing. And then I said, all right, let's enter.
So we'll look at who we're going to get. And all of a sudden, she comes in. Sir Dana White just said he's going to do it.
And he's coming back in tonight. He's taking the... You know, the guy is just an incredible guy.
And he's like a tough champion, but loyal. Yeah, he's got to be one of your favorite people.
Joe Rogan
He's one of my favorite people. I've been friends with him for 23 years.
Donald Trump
So would you have... Because what you're doing here is incredible. I mean, everybody tells me.
All I know is today I'm going... You know, you're on Joe Rogan tape. People are telling me like...
I say, how the hell do you know that? But it's sort of... What you've done here is amazing.
Where would you be if you didn't do the UFC stuff? Would you have this show, do you think?
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I would still be doing it for sure. Yeah.
Donald Trump
Would it be at the same level? I don't know. But you would have...
Joe Rogan
It's hard to know. I think one of the things that works for this show, I guess, is that I'm involved in so many different things. You know, stand-up comedy, UFC, and all the interests that I have that lead to the podcast.
Donald Trump
Will you always want to do... First of all, you love UFC.
Joe Rogan
I love it, yeah.
Donald Trump
You love the fights. I mean, I watch you. You are loving it.
They could pay you nothing. It'd be very...
Joe Rogan
They didn't pay me anything for the first like 13 shows. I did it for free because they were hemorrhaging money. And I became friends with Dana.
And my position was, you're going to give me the best seat in the house. I get to sit cage side for the fights. I was like, I'll do it.
And I wanted to help. I was like, I think these are the guys that we had always hoped for. In the early days of the sport, I started working for the company in 1997.
I was the... Before the UFC was purchased by Zufa, which Dana worked for. So I was a part of the previous owners.
And I only did it for a couple of years. It was just too much and I was losing money. And it was banned from cable because of Budweiser and John McCain.
And you could only get it on direct TV. And so...
Donald Trump
And then I came along and I gave him...
Joe Rogan
And he loves you for that. He loves you for that.
Donald Trump
He talks about it all the time. Just to interrupt you for one second. So they couldn't get a site because it was too dangerous and everybody was against it and they couldn't get a license.
And I gave him the first two or three sites and they were great. And by the way, I went to the first fight. I said, I never saw anything like this.
It was crazy. It was so good. Take the best fight you've ever...
It was like that fight, right? It was so good that I gave it to him again and again. And all of a sudden they caught on.
But you know, when I wasn't in Vogue... You know, I've had time. You probably never had a time.
But I had times when I wasn't exactly in Vogue. Dana, they called him. He said, he's the greatest guy.
There's nobody like him. He said, I'll never say anything bad about that guy. Because when I needed...
Because they were having a hard time at the beginning. They almost pulled the plug a couple of times, right? He said, he stood up and he gave us stuff that nobody else gave us.
And nobody wanted anything to do. And he said, I will never... And there was a time where it would have been very popular for him to say bad stuff about me.
He said the greatest stuff about me. He said, you're going to try and get me to say bad stuff about Trump? I'm never doing it.
No, he's a very, very, very loyal guy.
Joe Rogan
Very unusual guy. He's a fantastic guy. A perfect guy to be at the helm of something so controversial as the UFC.
Donald Trump
Less controversial now.
Joe Rogan
Well, now it's huge. Yeah. Well, this was always the thing that I would hope that it would be.
I always knew that it was unbelievably entertaining. But I just didn't know if maybe I was crazy. Maybe I loved it because I've had this long history of being involved in martial arts.
And maybe like other people who just think it's too violent. But... Can boxing make it?
Yeah.
Donald Trump
Boxing is still a great sport. I love boxing. But it seems to be so unimportant now by comparison to UFC, don't you think?
Joe Rogan
I think... Well, Dana is working with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They're going to start promoting boxing now.
And with Dana at the helm of it, I think boxing could return. Because the thing is, they want to make fights that other people... Maybe promoters don't want to make because they want to protect their fighter.
Controversial fights where it's dangerous. You don't know this guy could lose. And so the Saudis, they're smart.
They just offer a tremendous amount of money. And they're putting together fights that no one else can put together. They're doing that in boxing.
Donald Trump
If Dana is involved, he'll probably make it good. You know the amazing thing, though, in fighting? No UFC fighter, they say, has ever died.
And it looks to be much more violent than boxing. Many boxers have died. Isn't it interesting?
And Dana tells me because they take so many shots to the face.
Joe Rogan
Yes. And there's also no other options to preserve yourself, to protect yourself. So if you get hit in a UFC fight, you can clinch.
You can try to take the fight to the ground.
Joe Rogan
You have options.
Joe Rogan
Also, you don't get allowed to get knocked down and then get back up. When you get knocked down, you're concussed. And generally, if a guy's really hurt, they can be finished on the ground and the fight's over.
If it's boxing, you have 10 seconds to get up. You get up, your head kind of clears, but you're still in real bad trouble. And you can kind of run away and survive until the bell rings.
They're only three minute rounds. And then you start again. So you're getting repeated punishment to the head.
And then there's also the issue of guys weight cutting, which is a problem with the UFC as well. But weight cutting in boxing has led to, if you look at deaths in boxing, there's very few of them in the heavyweight division. Most of the deaths in boxing are the lighter weight divisions.
Because when guys dehydrate themselves to lose weight, to make weight, their brain is the last thing that gets rehydrated. It's very difficult to completely rehydrate your brain quickly. And you only have 24 hours between the weigh-in and the fight.
And it used to be the weigh-ins were the day of the fight. Like when Boom Boom Mancini had a fight with Dukku Kim and killed him in the ring, which is one of the last ones on television that we've seen. That was a crazy event for people and heartbreaking.
And it led to a bunch of different changes. One of them is day before weigh-ins to allow people to rehydrate better. And the other one is they dropped it from 15 rounds down to 12.
Donald Trump
Which, look, they should do that again. You know, I'm not, I'm not the fighter. So, but those 15 round fights were unbelievable.
Joe Rogan
They were unbelievable.
Donald Trump
Unbelievable. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
You go back to the golden age.
Donald Trump
Yeah. In terms of entertainment.
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
Donald Trump
Those were the championship rounds. Those were the greatest fights.
Joe Rogan
Those last three rounds were crazy. That was brutal. I mean, it's such a war of attrition.
You know, a lot of people think even like a five round UFC fight. UFC is five minute rounds. It's so much energy you're burning out.
And those last couple of rounds, those five round fights, the fourth and the fifth round, unbelievably brutal.
Donald Trump
Who's the greatest UFC fighter? Are you allowed to say? In your opinion, it's tough for you to say because you do this, but who do you think is the greatest of the fighters?
Joe Rogan
There's a lot of arguments for who's the greatest of all time. You know, Jon Jones, most people would say is the greatest of all time. Never lost.
There's certainly a really good argument for that. There's another argument for George St. Pierre. I always leave in BJ Penn in his prime.
Anderson Silva in his prime. You know, Mighty Mouse. People forget about Mighty Mouse because unfortunately, he's a smaller guy.
He's 125 pounds, flyweight champion. He's one of the greatest expressions of mixed martial arts I've ever seen. I think to this day.
Joe Rogan
And Khabib.
Joe Rogan
Khabib is fantastic. But if you looked at the accomplishments in terms of championship fights, Khabib retired 29 and 0. But he didn't have as many world championship fights.
Joe Rogan
And probably never lost a round.
Joe Rogan
He might have lost to Gleason Tebow. He might have lost to him.
Joe Rogan
A round.
Joe Rogan
Might have lost a round. And that was a controversial fight where people think that Gleason Tebow could have even got the decision in that fight. I'd have to go back and watch it again to make a decision.
Donald Trump
But- They're great athletes.
Joe Rogan
Oh, the best athletes in the world. And the most dangerous sport in terms of like, I always call it high level problem solving with dire physical consequences. That's what fighting is.
Donald Trump
You know, I never forget. So there was a fighter named James Tony.
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah. I love James Tony.
Donald Trump
He fought as a very light fighter. And he ended up as a heavyweight. This guy went through everything.
He was almost like a lightweight.
Joe Rogan
He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight. And beat Evander Holyfield as a heavyweight.
Donald Trump
And he was a real fighter.
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
Donald Trump
So James Tony. And I think it was, say, George- George St. Pierre. St. Pierre. I think it was him. Who did he fight? James Tony.
Joe Rogan
No, James Tony didn't fight George St. Pierre.
Donald Trump
He fought a UFC fighter.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, Randy Couture fought James Tony.
Donald Trump
Was it Randy Couture or Randy?
Joe Rogan
But that was like an easy fight. That was a very easy fight. Randy Couture just took him down and strangled him.
Donald Trump
It was the most- And he's half the size. And he just- Once he got to the ankles, in fact, the announcer said, it's over.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, he ankle picked him, took him down, mounted him, strangled him.
Donald Trump
It was pretty quick. And James Tony, he was- But he was talking big because he was much bigger. He was a pretty big guy.
Joe Rogan
I think James just wanted to make some money in that fight.
Donald Trump
You think so? Yeah. But I never forgot it.
I don't think he knew what he was doing. It was over very quickly. And he was lying, sleeping on the mat.
And he was talking. He was doing the Muhammad Ali stuff, but it didn't work out. But I remember- He sold the fight.
Yeah, that was Couture probably.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it was Couture. George never fought a boxer in an MMA fight. If he did, he would kill them.
Joe Rogan
Was he one of the greatest?
Joe Rogan
Yes, unquestionably. The argument, there's like a handful of guys you can make the argument is the greatest of all time. People forget about Anderson Silva.
In his prime, he was unstoppable. But that's the thing is- And then there's Fedor Emelianenko, who fought pride in his prime. He was unstoppable.
Donald Trump
There's this- And you have a couple now that are pretty good.
Joe Rogan
Oh, we've got so many now. Alex Pereira.
Donald Trump
Correct.
Joe Rogan
There's an argument that he's the top pound for pound fighter in the world right now.
Donald Trump
He's looking very good, yeah.
Joe Rogan
He's unbelievable. But it's like fighters can only compete at that level for so many years. And so my opinion, you have to judge them at their very peak.
You can't judge them when they're hanging on and still fighting. You can't judge them when they're coming up. You got to judge them in that championship peak.
And that championship peak, there's a handful of guys that you would consider at the very top.
Donald Trump
If they stopped a little bit sooner, some of them would have had, you know, I mean, there are a couple of- that you just mentioned without mentioning names. If they stopped at the perfect, they were unbelievable. And then at a certain age, they start getting knocked out, right?
Joe Rogan
Yes, it's unfortunate. But the thing is that same belief in themselves that lets them become a champion, makes them think that they can do it long past the time that they actually can.
Donald Trump
Well, Anderson Silva was essentially unbeatable. And then he lost a close one.
Joe Rogan
No, he got knocked out. He got knocked out by Chris Weidman. He was kind of clowning in that fight famously.
And Chris Weidman had a vicious left hook, knocked him out. And then they fought a second time and he broke his leg on Chris Weidman. And after that fight, he was kind of never the same because that leg break injury, which Conor McGregor had, there's quite a few fighters- That was a bad one.
Weidman actually wound up having the same injury, ironically. There's only been like four of those.
Donald Trump
You're never the same because you can't kick.
Joe Rogan
Never the same. Well, you can. Weidman is still kicking with that leg.
You can, but psychologically, when you throw a kick and your leg snaps in half and you're in agony for a year, right? You have to get surgery. You have to get bolts and plates to keep your leg together.
And then it takes forever for it to heal.
Donald Trump
It always amazes me how the kicker, I mean, you have those cases, but the kicker will do tremendous damage to somebody's leg, but their leg doesn't seem to get damaged. Isn't it sort of amazing?
Joe Rogan
It does get damaged.
Donald Trump
It hurts. More than you think.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, but your shin gets very numb after a while. And guys that are really good kickers, they're kicking the thigh and they're kicking the calf. They're kicking soft areas and they're slamming this hard, numb shin.
Their shin gets all these like micro fractures all over the shin and it calcifies. Like these guys can kick baseball bats. You ever seen them break baseball bats with their shins?
Joe Rogan
No, I've never seen it.
Joe Rogan
It's crazy. Some guys can do two baseball bats. Someone will hold the baseball bat and they'll just kick right through them.
Donald Trump
But see, I watch your enthusiasm now, right?
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Donald Trump
And it's like, that's why you're good. Nobody does this better. Without the enthusiasm, forget it.
Joe Rogan
Well, it has to be authentic. The only reason why I do MMA commentary is because I'm very interested in it, for real. I don't have to manufacture it.
I'm very interested. So I think that's why.
Donald Trump
And you love going in there after the fight and they're sweating all over you. They're slopping all over you.
Joe Rogan
You're beautiful. They bleed on me.
Donald Trump
They're bleeding on you.
Joe Rogan
Does that bother you a little bit?
Donald Trump
Yeah, like two weeks ago with the guy. I never saw him.
Joe Rogan
Camille Roundstreet, yeah.
Donald Trump
More stuff came out of his nose.
Joe Rogan
Yes, it was pretty nasty. But no, I'm very used to it. I just wanted him to be able to express himself.
Donald Trump
You've done a great job.
Joe Rogan
Thank you. You've done a great job. So back to you.
First of all, I love this idea of you teaming up with Robert Kennedy. And I love this Make America Healthy Again idea. Because there are chemicals and ingredients that are in our food that are illegal in other countries because they've been shown to be toxic.
There's pesticides and herbicides. And there's a lot of shit that's been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary. And there's a lot of health consequences that people are suffering from a lot of these things.
Donald Trump
I wrote this chart for you. Beautiful. Because I had a feeling you'd be asking me.
Thank you. Look at this chart. These are healthier countries.
Look where the United States is.
Joe Rogan
I'm going to send this to RFK Jr. So this is, well, something along the line. I was actually talking to RFK today. And he told me that more than 70% of young men are ineligible for the military because of their health.
Donald Trump
I could see it.
Joe Rogan
That's crazy.
Donald Trump
A lot of it's obesity.
Joe Rogan
Here's the life expectancy versus health expenditure.
Donald Trump
Same chart.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Did you see that?
Joe Rogan
USA.
Joe Rogan
That's pretty good. Jamie's the best. He's very good.
He's the best. No, but look at that. Look at the USA.
Joe Rogan
Not good. And that's our food. That's our diet.
That's that sedentary lifestyle. That's our diet. That's the chemicals we ingest.
That's what that is.
Donald Trump
But RFK is going to be very, you know, I think he's a great guy.
Joe Rogan
I love the fact that you guys teamed up.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. And are you guys, are you completely committed to have him a part of your administration? Oh, I am.
Donald Trump
But the only thing I want to be a little careful about with him is the environmental. Because, you know, he doesn't like oil. I love oil and gas.
I think, you know, I think. Just keep him out of that. To fire.
So I'm going to sort of keep him out of a little. I said, focus on health.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Donald Trump
You can do whatever you want. But I got to be a little bit careful with the liquid gold.
Joe Rogan
You know, I understand. But listen, there's plenty of good work that could be done if you focus on health. Here's the one that is the one that my all time favorite.
Joe Rogan
What is that? See the arrow right here? That's what I love.
Joe Rogan
Do you have anyone that is pressuring you to not work with him? Have there been people who work with RFK Jr?
Donald Trump
Yes.
Joe Rogan
Yes. I would imagine.
Donald Trump
Because financially, I would say that. And, you know, I think in many ways they've done a good job. In many ways, they've done a bad job.
But I would say that the big farmer. Wasn't thrilled when they heard that, you know, I have a really. I've actually always gotten along very well with him.
I've known him a long time. He's a different kind of a guy. He's very smart, great guy.
And he's very sincere about this. I mean, he really is. You know, he thinks we spend a fortune on pesticides and all this stuff.
And then you end up. That chart is a terrible chart. The one previous.
It's such a bad chart. When you look at where we are compared to other countries that don't spend 10 cents. So, you know, and you save a lot of money.
But, yeah, we I've had some people that aren't exactly thrilled. You can imagine, right? Sure.
It's a good question.
Joe Rogan
Well, certainly, if there doesn't affect me. Some pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed that have negative consequences that these people have been profiting off of. And then you have a guy like RFK Jr. Who spends an enormous amount of time highlighting those things. You could say how they'd be very reluctant to have you support him.
Donald Trump
I would say that's an understatement.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. So what do you do to stop that from getting in the way?
Donald Trump
Well, look, they've come up with some amazing things. I mean, I don't know how you feel. I know you're against certain vaccines, but like the polio vaccine, people had polio.
There were it was like a disaster. And they came up, Dr. Salk, and he came up with a vaccine and there's no polio now. Very interesting.
There hasn't been polio. But now in the Gaza Strip, can you believe that? Have you heard that?
There's been a big strain of polio coming out in the Gaza Strip.
Joe Rogan
Is it vaccine derived polio? Because, you know, there's there's a strain of polio that comes directly from the vaccine, because unfortunately, sometimes we vaccinate people for polio.
Donald Trump
Oh, I see. I mean, all I can do is I sit down and I listen to him. And I'll give it a total.
I would love him to be right, because it's if he's right, it's a lot less expensive generally.
Joe Rogan
There's two things that people point to when they point to the dangers of the pharmaceutical drug industry. One thing is when pharmaceutical drugs were allowed to advertise on television. We're only one of two countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on TV.
The other one's New Zealand. But they're more restrictive than we are.
Donald Trump
Those ads, those ads, when you hear like, you know, take a certain drug and then you hear all the consequences. It causes cancer and baldness.
Joe Rogan
We don't like baldness.
Donald Trump
Suicidal ideation. They said that in eyesight and you can lose your vision. Yeah.
And, you know, I just I actually asked one of these guys, I would never take it. I mean, the cost is things that are so bad. They go through a whole list.
I guess they save some liability. But, man, I said, does that affect the purchase? So they say it really does.
When they when there's something you have and you read and then they go through the list of side effects, the potential side, the potential side effects. I mean, a lot of people are just I ask that question. People hear that when I hear it.
I'm going to take a pass. It says may affect your vision, may cause blindness. May this.
Yes.
Joe Rogan
But I know you're aware of Callie and Casey Means, right? Yes. Well, one of the things that they pointed out, and this is a very important thing for people to understand, is what a lot of these drugs do is they they act to to somehow or another mitigate the effects of poor metabolic health.
But most of these problems that these people are suffering from wouldn't exist if we put an emphasis on metabolic health. If people got healthier, they started eating nutritious food and taking vitamins, a whole host of these problems that people are having would go away. And the problem with that, from the pharmaceutical drug standpoint, is they wouldn't be able to sell drugs to these people.
Donald Trump
And this is and the pesticides and things like that on the plants. And what do you think of that?
Joe Rogan
Terrible. Well, I think regenerative agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult to scale to a point where you got a jack in the box on every corner. If everybody wants food and we have food deserts and we have places like Los Angeles where no one's growing anything and everything has to be shipped in, it's very difficult to feed that many people.
We've created this incredible society where we have these enormous cities. But it's it's very difficult to get food to these people. And then for a lot of these people in low income areas, the only food that's available is cheap, unhealthy food.
That's right. And we could fix that. That that's if we could send one hundred seventy five billion dollars to Ukraine, we could do something to fix a lot of the health problems that the United States has.
And I think it would it would help us as a nation overall. Just if you just put it out there that, hey, as a nation, we're going to make a concerted effort to get people healthier.
Donald Trump
Just put it out there and people start making better choices. Well, when you look at that chart, it's crazy. I just they just gave me that because they said, you may want to discuss this topic, which I know is a big topic for you.
And when I looked at that chart and I looked at how unhealthy we are as a nation, that's a that's a pretty big. How are you so healthy? Is it golf?
No, it's genetics, I believe.
Joe Rogan
You know, I'm a big genetic says a big fact.
Donald Trump
I really am. I mean, my father was.
Joe Rogan
Unfortunately, it is a big factor for health. Some people are just way more robust. But you do play golf a lot.
Donald Trump
And that is both of my parents. It's for me, it's good. Fresh air.
Joe Rogan
It really is.
Donald Trump
It's actually outside. Even mentally, you're focused on a three footer for some for a couple of hours. You're not.
And I go quick. I play fast, real fast. And I'm in a mouth.
But, you know, it gives me I was never one that could like run on a treadmill or just and I can do it. You know, when passing a physical, they asked me to run on a treadmill and then they make it steeper and steeper and steeper. And the doctor said it was a Walter Reed.
They said, it's unbelievable. I could have. I'm telling you, I felt I could have gone all day.
But I said, Doc, I can do this all day long. I'm not. I have no problem.
But it's boring to me. Do you understand?
Joe Rogan
Right. Just boring. Golf's exciting.
Donald Trump
But I did it for so long. They couldn't believe it that I did it. And I never, you know, I don't do it.
I don't really, you know, I have friends. They've run in this stuff all day long, but I had no problem doing it. But it's really boring.
So with golf or something, you know, or tennis or whatever, right. Golf, as you get older, there's something really good about it. And you have competition, competition, concentration.
And it's a great handicap sport.
Joe Rogan
And it's also a thing. I think that it cleans your mind because when you're looking at a shot, that's all you can think of when you're executing.
Donald Trump
It gives you a couple of hours. You know, it's interesting. Like with tennis, if you're much better than somebody, you can't really play with somebody.
You know, it doesn't work. You can give them sort of the equivalent of strokes. Right.
But it's not this. With golf, you can play with a lousy guy and give him a stroke, a hole or two strokes, a hole or something. You know, it's a good handicapping.
Right. But it gives me a little exercise. But I haven't played in a long time.
I won a lot. I won 32 club championships.
Joe Rogan
Didn't you play right after you got shot?
Donald Trump
No. What I did is I played with Bryson DeChambeau. Do you know Bryson?
Yes. The pro. He's a great player.
And we played. It was a certain thing that we played, I guess, called breaking 50 or something. 50, we play from a certain tee.
And if you can break 50. And it got tremendous ratings. Sort of like a crazy thing.
It got to me. He's a great guy.
Joe Rogan
But wasn't that like a couple of days after you got shot? I don't know.
Donald Trump
I know.
Joe Rogan
That was one of the funniest things.
Donald Trump
You were on the golf course. I think I did. Yeah, maybe I did.
But I, you know, I view it very interestingly. I'm running for president of the United States. To me, it's such a big deal.
It's so important.
Joe Rogan
So I've got now. Biggest deal in the free world.
Donald Trump
It's 100 times bigger than the Super Bowl. And it's one person.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Donald Trump
So you're down to two people. And we start off at 9 billion. Because you have 9 billion.
They say in the world, who knows what that number is. But you get down to 350 million. Sadly, we have no idea what we have in this country.
But let's assume it's 325, 350. And you're down to two people. It's the biggest thing in the world.
And when I heard she took off yesterday. And she took off the day before. And she's going to take off tomorrow or the next day.
I haven't taken a day off in 56 days. That's a long time. I haven't taken one day off.
I don't want to play golf. This is too exciting. Golf is great.
But this is too exciting. This is more exciting than anything you can do.
Joe Rogan
And also, it's the home stretch.
Donald Trump
It's the home stretch. Who would take a day off? So we have 11 days left now.
And think of it. So I think I've gone 54, 55 days in a row. No days off.
And I make speeches oftentimes. Sometimes not. But I make speeches.
And when you make a speech. And my speeches last a long time. Because of the weave.
I weave stories into it. And if you don't. If you just read a teleprompter.
Nobody's going to be very excited. You've got to weave it out. So you do it.
But you always have to. As you say, you always have to get right back to it. Otherwise, it's no good.
But the weave is very, very important. Very few weavers around. But it's a big strain on your.
You know, it's a big. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work.
You've got to be careful with the voice. You can lose that voice. The voice wasn't designed.
I said today. So I made a big one last night. I was in Las Vegas.
A big one the night before in Arizona. Big one. I mean, they're all big.
We have the. There's never been anything like it in terms of crowd. Never been close.
Never been close. They say. He talks about.
Crowd says. You know, it's very interesting. So we get crowds that are really big.
And I say, you know. I've never had a story because I don't get good press. I don't think I've had a good story in years.
I really don't. I don't. I swear.
I don't think you were talking about it a little bit with Oprah. Everybody loved me. I don't think I became president of the United States.
I did great the second time. I did much better. I don't want to get you in any disputes, but.
I won that second election so easy and not just because.
Joe Rogan
But let me let me get to that. I want to talk to you.
Donald Trump
But here's the thing. I did that and now I've gotten the nomination again. And don't forget to get these nominations.
You go against very smart people. Ron DeSantis was hot. Got to go through him.
Nikki Haley was hot. Got to go through her. I went through everybody.
Record time, right? Record time. I got three nominations in a row.
Won the first time. Did much better the second time. You know, I get millions of votes more the second time.
And now I'm doing it a third time. And it's an incredible thing. I never get a good story.
I only get bad press. Now, I will say this. It's a lot easier if you're a Democrat.
If I were a Democrat.
Joe Rogan
You'd get a lot of positive press.
Donald Trump
I would get a lot of positive.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. No, it's a it's a creepy, corrupt business. And the media, to a large extent, acts as a propaganda arm for the Democratic Party.
Donald Trump
It's not even believable.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it's bizarre to watch. And, you know, most young people, I think, are aware of it. I think most boomers still, unfortunately, read the newspapers and believe in CNN.
Donald Trump
But it's getting younger. Yes, it's getting for us, for a consumer. And, you know, I don't know why I consider myself a person on the Internet.
Joe Rogan
It's because the Internet is giving people information that they're not getting from anywhere else. And they like the very fine people hoax, the Russiagate hoax, all these different things they've done. They tried to pin on you.
That's like it's a clear distortion of what you actually said.
Joe Rogan
The bloodbath hoax.
Donald Trump
Yeah, I was talking about the auto industry. It's a bloodbath because Japan and China are taking our auto. And I said, it's a bloodbath.
They said, oh, he used the word bloodbath.
Joe Rogan
He said, if you don't win, it's going to be a bloodbath.
Donald Trump
That's right. It's a terrible thing they do.
Joe Rogan
But that's the problem with propagandists, because they take things out of context. And ultimately, what they do is they diminish their own credibility, because people don't want to listen to them anymore, because they see that they've done that. And they recognize what's going on.
And they feel insulted. Their intelligence is getting insulted.
Donald Trump
Well, look at the ratings. You know, shows like yours. So I have a son who's very smart and tall, barren, right?
And he knows all about you. He knows about guys I never heard of. He said, Dad, you don't know how big they are.
They're big. You know, he told me how big. I said, who the hell is he?
Like Ross. I did. He said, Dad, he's a great guy.
I mean, guys that are doing... It's a whole new world out there.
Joe Rogan
It's a different world.
Donald Trump
But you know, I'm on TikTok now.
Joe Rogan
Congratulations.
Donald Trump
And I've done really well. No, but you know, the crazy... Have you seen the numbers?
Billions, like billions of hits. It's crazy.
Joe Rogan
TikTok's a wild application.
Donald Trump
And I've gone up 30 points. A Republican is always down 30 with young people. I'm plus 30.
And I'm on TikTok.
Joe Rogan
I think young people are rejecting a lot of this woke bullshit. Young people are tired of being yelled at and scolded. They're tired of these people that they think are mentally ill, telling them what the moral standards of society should be today.
And people are upset.
Donald Trump
There's a big difference now. But even in just a couple of years, I was shaking hands with people.
Joe Rogan
They're young people. The rebels are Republicans now.
Joe Rogan
They're like, you want to be a rebel? You want to be punk rock? You want to like buck the system?
You're a conservative now. That's how crazy. And then the liberals are now pro silencing criticism.
They're pro censorship online. They're talking about regulating free speech and regulating the First Amendment.
Joe Rogan
It's bananas to watch.
Donald Trump
Sure, they come after their political opponent. I go to mall guys. I always say, you know, I kid, but I'm not kidding.
I've been investigated more than Alphonse Capone. He was the meanest of them all. He'd kill you in two seconds if he didn't like you, right?
I've been under investigation more than Alphonse Capone, only because it's political opponent stuff. And I've won. I won the big case in Florida.
I'm winning the other stuff. You win. But you know what they did?
They did something that's only done in third world countries. They came after their political opponent. I could have put Crooked Hillary in jail.
Joe Rogan
Well, not only that, but they're now weaponizing it by saying that that's what you're going to do once you get in office by ignoring what they're doing right now.
Donald Trump
It's crazy. I heard it. Somebody was defending me today.
No, that's they say. That's what you're doing to him. They're going.
He's going to put us in jail. He's going to invest. That's what you're doing.
That's what you're doing to him. Yeah. A lot of people say, will you do that?
Will you do that to him, to them if you win? You know, it's the presidency has tremendous power. I could have put Crooked Hillary.
Joe Rogan
I respected that you didn't because what you said was it would be bad for the country.
Donald Trump
No, I can't. I couldn't even imagine you have first of all, Secretary of State, but more importantly, the wife of the president of the United States of America going into jail. And if you ever saw when I'd say something about her, they're all say, I didn't say I never said it.
They say, lock her up, lock her. And I'd always go, take it easy. Just relax.
We're going to win this thing. Take it easy. Take it easy.
And I'm telling you, I kept it down just the opposite. Now they say, oh, Trump wanted to put her in jail. No, I saved her from going to jail.
They had more stuff on her. And Comey had it because when Comey got up and he stupidly because he's a stupid guy too. He goes, he's a stupid son of a bitch.
He got up. Joe, he got up. And instead of saying she's innocent of all charges, he went over each charge and each charge was a killer.
And he go, and as far as her doing this, she's innocent and this. And then she's only an unfair prosecutor for it. But every time you heard these charges, they sound so bad.
They were bad. And all it was is he wanted more airtime. If he would have gone up and said, I've thoroughly investigated Hillary Clinton and she's done nothing that we feel is wrong.
It would have ended. Instead, he wanted to be up there because he's a PR hound. He's a hog.
And he starts going through that. And you know what he had? They had a huge problem because FBI is great.
The people there, not the top people, the people, the real people, the people that work there. It's like the real generals that I told you about that defeated ISIS in record time. The FBI guys are great.
I'll bet you I'd be at 95% in the FBI.
Joe Rogan
I bet that's right.
Donald Trump
Underneath.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Donald Trump
And so here's the thing. So he goes with Hillary. And instead of just saying he goes through each charge.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Donald Trump
And even I was saying, man, those are bad charges.
Joe Rogan
Sounds terrible because this is before I got those charges.
Donald Trump
Don't get this before I got there.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Donald Trump
Now he was trying to protect her, but he did her a great disservice because he wanted attention. He was still.
Joe Rogan
So I want to I want to talk about 2020 because you said over and over again that you were robbed in 2020.
Donald Trump
Totally.
Joe Rogan
How do you think you were robbed? Everybody always cuts you off. I'm going to allow.
Donald Trump
Well, they not only cut you off. What I'd rather do is we'll do it another time. And I would bring in papers that you would not believe.
So many different papers. That election was so crooked. It was the most crooked election.
Joe Rogan
OK, but give me some examples of how.
Donald Trump
Well, let's start. Let's start at the top and the easy ones. OK.
They were supposed to get legislative approval to do the things they did, and they didn't get it. In many cases, they didn't get it.
Joe Rogan
What things?
Donald Trump
Anything.
Joe Rogan
Legislative approval.
Donald Trump
Like for extensions of the voting, for for for voting earlier for this. All different things. By law, they had to get legislative approvals.
You don't have to go any further than that. If you take a look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted that the election was rigged, robbed and stolen. They wouldn't give access in certain areas to the ballots because the ballots weren't signed.
They weren't originals. We could go into this stuff. We could go into the ballots or we could go into the overall.
I'll give you another one.
Joe Rogan
Are you going to present this ever? Like, what do you do think?
Donald Trump
Let me just give you one more before. Fifty one intelligence agents come up that the laptop was from Russia. It turned out to be totally false.
Joe Rogan
Fifty one former intelligence agents, right?
Donald Trump
They say that made I don't believe it's this much, but it doesn't have to. I won by like I lost by like I didn't lose. But they say I lost Joe.
They say I lost by twenty two thousand votes. That's like one tenth of one percent less than that. It's a tiny little thing.
Twenty two thousand votes spread over that spread over this this period. So. Fifty one intelligence agents lied.
They lied. They lied. They knew it was it was hunters.
It was from his bed. It was Hunter's laptop. They said it was created by Russia.
Russia, Russia. It was the Russia. The Russia hoax was a big hoax.
It was all a big hoax. So that's clear.
Joe Rogan
That's one example. That is a good example.
Donald Trump
They say it made a 17 point difference. That's a big example. But that's only one.
And you could go into the ballots where they wouldn't give you access to the ballots. You could go into the ballot harvesting. You could go into five hundred million dollars for the lock boxes.
Joe Rogan
But just in terms of narrative. So there's two things. Right.
There's the Russia hoax. There's the collusion with Russia that was never proven. Right.
Donald Trump
That's what it was proven. It didn't happen. Right.
Joe Rogan
Right. But but they they talked about it on television.
Donald Trump
Two and a half years to prove.
Joe Rogan
But not only that, but it was a constant narrative on television. That's a constant narrative that gets into people's minds, especially low information people that just watch the news that you're in collusion with Russia. So that's one.
So that changes the narrative. And then you have the 51 former intelligence agents that work with the original Twitter and get them to remove links. You can't share it on DMS. You cannot share that story. They swept that story because they said it was Russian disinformation, even though they knew it was not. One hundred percent. So that's two examples that are real examples.
Now, anyone who considers himself a legitimate, objective observer of American politics, if you really want the best person to win, you would want people to not lie. And the only reason why they got away with this lie was because they continually labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler. They kept saying you're going to be a dictator, ignoring the fact that you weren't a dictator for the four years where you were actually the president.
Donald Trump
I was actually the opposite of a dictator. I was a very straight guy. But look, those three things, you take those three things, each one of them by themselves causes the result to be different.
It does. And then you can go into a hundred other things. There's so many.
We can't have corrupt elections and we can't have open borders. We need a we need you need to have a country. You need borders.
You need fair elections. And I'll tell you, the other thing you need is you need a free and fair press. One of the things I like about doing a show like this.
Can you imagine Kamala doing this show?
Joe Rogan
I could imagine. She'd be laying on the floor. She was supposed to do it and she might still do it.
And I hope she does. I will talk to her like a human being.
Donald Trump
I would try to have an interview with you. I hope she does, because it would be a mess. She'd be laying on the floor, comatose.
You'd be saying, call in the medics.
Joe Rogan
I think we'd have a fine conversation.
Joe Rogan
I think I'd be able to talk to her. I wouldn't try to interview her. I just try to have a conversation with her and hopefully get to know her as a human being.
That was my goal, having her on, trying to get her to express herself just as I don't I don't think these formats are good. I don't think that two people, first of all, I hate the idea of the presidential debates because I hate the idea of a time limitation on complex ideas. Also, you have to break.
Donald Trump
I think you have to have the debates.
Joe Rogan
Right. But the way they do the debates, I think, is the wrong way to do it. I think they should have a conversation.
I think you and Kamala, you sit across the table with no one in the room but the two of you. Of course, you're not going to shout each other. Of course, you're not going to insult each other.
Donald Trump
I mean, it may get.
Joe Rogan
They used to do it that way. But that would be the way to do it.
Joe Rogan
They used to do it that way.
Joe Rogan
To put cameras on you with no one interfering with checking whether or not it's factual, especially when it's biased, because they checked you all those times and they didn't check her with clearly things that were inaccurate. Right. So have two people just have a conversation with those without a time constraint.
And also this idea they cut off the microphone.
Joe Rogan
No crowd. No crowd.
Joe Rogan
Crazy, too, because you're good at working a crowd.
Donald Trump
I would rather have a crowd. Of course, I would rather crowds. But I had no.
So they gave me an alternative. I don't think you want to debate.
Joe Rogan
Why did they want no crowd?
Donald Trump
Because I think they thought I wasn't going to accept it. So I believe what they wanted to do is have me not accept. So they gave me a deal I couldn't refuse.
And I said, I'll do it. OK, it's like the mob.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Donald Trump
I'll take it. So they came to me. They said, we'll debate Joe Biden.
That thing got tremendous ratings, too. That was crazy. But we'll debate Joe Biden.
But you can't have a crowd. They also wanted sitting down. I said, that's the only thing.
I said, look, you got to you got to stand up. You can't really sit down.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Donald Trump
In the old days, they did sit down a little bit. But he gets tired. You got to stand up.
And they agreed to it. It was a very tough thing. It almost killed it.
They wanted to they wanted to have like desks where we sit. They said, I think we should stand up. And that was the only thing I asked for.
I said, we got to stand up. I thought it looked bad for like the public. But they said no crowd and cut off the mic.
And I said, I can live with it. I mean, I can live with it. And they thought I was going to reject it.
And then they would say he didn't want to debate Sleepy Joe.
Joe Rogan
Right. That's what they thought. Well, they tried to say that with you and Kamala as well.
They tried to say that you didn't want to debate her as well.
Donald Trump
No, but by the way, with her, number one, I'm leading. Number two, you know, I didn't. They also said it with the primary.
So I had like 10, 12 guys right in the primary. No stupid guys. I mean, they're governors and they're senators.
They're not stupid people. Some are stupid, but not all of them. And all my guys said, you have to be in the debate.
I said, why? I'm leading by 74 points. The closest guy to me, I'm like 60 points, 70 points higher.
Why would I stand there like an idiot for two hours and let every one of them scream at me? I'm going to be the focus. And I said, I'm not debating.
And it was a very smart thing because, you know, they just killed themselves.
Joe Rogan
The Republican primaries.
Donald Trump
Yeah, the Republican primaries. I like debating. I think you have to debate.
But I like debating. I like debating like the Rosie O'Donnell debate. I like debating when you have a great...
Remember the Rosie O'Donnell debate?
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it was very funny. Megan Kelly.
Donald Trump
Crazy thing, Megan. That was a hell of a question, man. If I didn't come up with that answer...
Joe Rogan
It was a great line.
Donald Trump
Well, what it was is, you know, that was... We had 28,000 people. That was the Cleveland arena where the Cavaliers played.
LeBron James. I'm not a big fan of LeBron James, but he is a good basketball player. But, you know, that was the...
And when I said that, that place went crazy. And she kept talking. No, she had like 10 other...
Joe Rogan
Yeah, well, Megan said you said it to other people and you admitted you did. But it was funny. It was a comedic timing moment.
Donald Trump
It was fine.
Joe Rogan
That's what they wanted to avoid.
Donald Trump
It was lucky I did it. Because she was drowned... You know, she wasn't finished.
That question, but she kept talking, but you couldn't hear. To this day, they don't know what she said, but it wasn't buzzing. So anyway, but we had a good time.
Joe Rogan
Well, it's comedic timing. And that's the reason why to have a debate in front of a large audience. And then they probably thought you had stacked it down.
Donald Trump
Well, how did I do with the Al Smith dinner? I got very good reviews on that.
Joe Rogan
That was great. Very funny. Very funny stuff.
The Tim Walz stuff was very funny. Tim Walz, yeah. It's funny.
That's a real beauty. That's a crazy one. She said that she had picked him, and this is one of the questions I want to ask her.
When she was sleep-deprived, she said she was suffering from sleep deprivation when she picked him, which is just...
Donald Trump
Hey, maybe take a nap. So I was... Okay, look, let's see how it all turns out.
I think we're going to win. I think we're way ahead now. I think we're way ahead.
But if they lose, I think they're going to look at two things. They're going to say they should have had a primary, even if it was a short primary. They shouldn't have picked him.
And then she's going to say, I shouldn't have picked this guy. She shouldn't have picked that guy. That guy's a disaster.
Joe Rogan
The lying about Tiananmen Square.
Donald Trump
Everything.
Joe Rogan
Admitted in that. Yeah, the military record, assistant coach versus head coach.
Donald Trump
But she lied, too. Little things. So I did McDonald's last week.
I saw that. And I actually got a call from your friends at Google, from Sundar. That's pretty good, right?
He said, this is the biggest thing we've had in years. You had McDonald's? I had McDonald's.
Did you know that? It was one of the...
Joe Rogan
It was funny.
Donald Trump
Who's a great guy, by the way. But he said, this McDonald's thing, I want to tell you, it's one of the biggest things we've ever had on Google. It just hit.
But the reason I did... And I actually... You know, you never know about this stuff.
I thought it was a throwaway. I didn't think our conversation is a throwaway. But I thought that was...
I thought I'd walk in. And that was only to highlight the fact. And I have a friend, he owns like 56 of these McDonald's.
And he said, do you want to use one? I said, yeah, I love it. So we went there and the crowd was crazy.
You know, they had 28,000 people around. The whole thing. Did you see the outside?
It was crazy. The cars couldn't get through. Secret Service was not exactly thrilled.
We had no idea what the hell. But I went into the place and I did the french fry thing. And it just hit.
But that's like in life. Sometimes you do... I thought it was like a quick throwaway.
We're going to be there for 15 minutes. Then I said, I've worked here for 15 minutes, which is 15 minutes more than she worked here. She lied about McDonald's.
And you know... Is that proven that she never worked at McDonald's? Well, McDonald's has no information.
She has no information. The manager said she never worked there. You know, it was a certain place.
And he said they never... No, she lied. She's a liar.
You know what they do? They'll say like on any one of the questions, take any... They'll say it's the exact opposite of what I say.
IVF. He's against IVF fertilization. And it's the exact opposite.
I came out immediately strongly in favor. And they do ads. I'm against it.
It's wrong. On every single topic. And you know, she changed policies on 15.
I've never seen a guy change, anybody change on more than one. You know, you can maybe get away with one. Her whole life fracking.
Every single thing that she was for the confiscation of guns. She wants to confiscate. Now she's saying everybody should have a gun.
In fact, we're going to get her a MAGA cap. I'm going to send her a MAGA cap. But she's changed.
And I don't think people are buying it. I don't think people are buying it.
Joe Rogan
Well, some people are buying it because they want to buy it. Because it's blue no matter who. There's a certain percentage of our population that's going to vote Democrat no matter what.
Donald Trump
That's true.
Joe Rogan
They're pressured. There's their community, their ideology. It's left is good, right is evil.
Donald Trump
I don't understand why. Okay, you have a wall or you have a... You know, I built 570 miles of wall.
Everyone said I built a lot of wall. Exactly the stuff. But you have a border.
What I don't understand is who would want people to come into our country from places unknown, like sometimes they'll say about a fighter, from parts unknown, right? Remember Haystack Skelton from parts... Yeah, the old days.
Joe Rogan
Those are the old days.
Donald Trump
That's even before you. But who would want people to come in pouring into our country? We don't know anything about it.
Joe Rogan
But that's... I want to ask you this. Why do you think they're doing that?
I think because... Do you think they're trying to buy votes? Do you think they just want cheap labor?
Like, what's the idea?
Donald Trump
Okay, there's a couple of theories. They hate our country. They're stupid or they want to buy votes.
It's one of those three things. They want it. Now, they are trying to get people registered who don't even know what the country is.
Joe Rogan
And they're trying to give people amnesty.
Donald Trump
People that live here, they're trying to give them citizenship or they want to... Well, how about what happened...
Joe Rogan
Think about the amount of money that they've given them when they've come here, the food stamps, the benefits that even our poor people aren't getting.
Donald Trump
Two hundred billion dollars. And that's a way low number. That's a way low.
You know, it's interesting. New York has always been like, you know, sort of like always looking for money. They've spent a hundred billion dollars on this stuff.
I don't know where they... And they're not getting the money from the federal government. It's crazy.
And because the mayor came out and said, we can't live like this.
Joe Rogan
They investigated him.
Donald Trump
He gets in... By the way, I called it. I said he just got himself indicted.
This group is stupid, but they're vicious. They're stupid people, but they're vicious people.
Joe Rogan
The 2020 elections. You say you have all this evidence that it was rigged. Why haven't you put this evidence in a consumable form?
Donald Trump
Oh, I did. I have books on it. And by the way, books have been written on it.
We have an author named Hemingway, who is a great writer. She wrote a book on it, but many books have been written on it. There are books that are...
What's happened is judges don't want to touch it. They would say you don't have standing. They didn't rule on the merits.
They ruled... The merits never got there. The judges didn't have what it took to turn over an election.
Joe Rogan
Let's talk about the potential vulnerabilities for elections and election fraud. One of them is mail-in ballots. The other one is if someone can break into voting machines.
If someone can hack voting machines. Those are two huge ones.
Donald Trump
So Elon Musk, I think he said it publicly. I hope he did, because I wouldn't want to be the one. But he's a really smart guy.
And he's a very good guy with computers, right? You'd say he's... He's one of the smartest people alive.
Anybody that can land that 20-story building and perfect and boom.
Joe Rogan
While he's doing Starlink, while he's doing Tesla. While he owns Twitter.
Donald Trump
And then he agrees to Starlink.
Joe Rogan
And tweets 100 times a day.
Donald Trump
He's an amazing guy. He said to me that unless you have paper ballots, it can never be an honest election. That's a big statement.
It's a big statement. We should go to paper ballots. You know, France did.
They went to mail-in voting and it was all messed up. You know the amazing thing with the machines? So we have the machines.
They cost 10 times more. Paper ballot would cost 8%. And they make paper ballots.
They're all watermarked and everything else. They're very sophisticated. But if you take a look, paper ballots, 8% the cost.
And you're done by 9 o'clock in the evening, right? Now we have these sophisticated machine that goes up to heaven. It goes all over the place and down and around.
And they say, we'll need two weeks to figure out who the hell won the election.
Joe Rogan
Do you think that's by design?
Donald Trump
Yeah, I do. I think it's very crooked. That's my opinion.
Joe Rogan
You're allowed to have an opinion. What could, let's say you win in November. What can be done to mitigate these problems?
What could be done at the level that the president has power?
Donald Trump
Well, if I win, that'll be, this will be my last election. But I think I owe it to the country. But I think I owe it to the country.
We have to have fair elections. So how can you fix that? You know, Jimmy Carter was in charge of a commission that many years ago.
And they put him and Scoop Jackson and various senators, you know, distinguished people that were retired. And they came up with a report. And the report's primary finding was you cannot have mail-in ballots.
Because if it's a mail-in ballot, you know, I went to the voting booth the last time, whatever it was. And I walked in Palm Beach and I walk in and they know me. They said, Mr. President, could I see your identity?
Yes. Boom. Here's this, here's that, everything.
And then you sit and they watch you sign. And you really, there's not a lot you can do. I mean, if you wanted to be dishonest, it's sort of, you know.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Donald Trump
If instead of that, I'm going to send them a ballot.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Donald Trump
It has to go through the postal services. It has to go through a lot of people. They mail you houses that, you know, the house was demolished and the people have left.
And it's so bad. The one thing with Jimmy Carter, he had a very strong commission. No mail-in ballots.
And we're the only one that does elections this way anymore. They've gotten away from them.
Joe Rogan
And this is a, it ticked up in a big way after COVID. It used to be like soldiers serving overseas.
Donald Trump
They used COVID to cheat.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Well, they used COVID to certainly push this mail-in ballot. Another thing that they.
Donald Trump
But that's, but they use COVID to cheat.
Joe Rogan
But here's another.
Donald Trump
And the last election was a little bit of a, you couldn't even get security guys. Big, strong guys to watch. You know what?
You'd call them. They'd call them in this session. They were afraid to go out.
You know, we had, we were in the middle of COVID. We were in the middle of COVID right smack in the middle. And they didn't want to die.
You know, they didn't want to catch it. It was like, in a way it was, it was like a ghost town and the whole thing. But mail-in ballots are a bad thing.
Joe Rogan
That certainly is a problem. Mail-in ballots are a problem.
Donald Trump
But every other country, you know, other countries, a voter ID.
Joe Rogan
Voter ID is the most bizarre argument that I've never seen anybody articulate in a way that's convincing why you don't need voter. Well, it doesn't make sense any other way. I've tried to strawman it, or I tried to steel man it rather.
I've tried to like look at it from a position like, why would you not want people to have ID? And a lot of the ideas are just ridiculous. You need an ID to get a driver's license.
Donald Trump
But here's now the next step. Gavin Newscombe, one of the worst governors in the world. And I used to, frankly, I used to get along, but I don't get along with him now.
Because he's just too, you know, it's just a whole con job. But Gavin Newscombe, the other day signed a bill that you are not allowed to ask a person, even ask them whether or not they have a voter ID.
Joe Rogan
Now, what could be a charitable reason why anybody would want that?
Donald Trump
Because they want to cheat.
Joe Rogan
But that would be the only thing that makes sense.
Donald Trump
But that's taken it to the next level. Right. Now, you know, you have ID.
The Democrat National Convention, when they had it the last time I saw, they had a sign like a billboard on the name of the person, where they live, how they live, who the hell their boyfriends are. Every single, it was in a big picture. That's for their, they have an ID, a big ID.
It was hanging like you were a prisoner. They had these massive cards, everything. And yet when it comes to the vote, in theory, the most important thing we do, OK, when you go to a grocery store, you give ID.
But for a vote, it's supposed to be a sacred thing. And it should be a sacred thing. No voter ID because they want to cheat.
Joe Rogan
Well, it doesn't make sense in any other way. I've tried to look at it.
Joe Rogan
There's no other way.
Joe Rogan
There's no argument that anybody's presented that makes any sense. Why?
Donald Trump
You know, the funny thing, Joe, the Democrats, the people, they all think you should have it. In other words, you should have. If you go to the people, Mrs. Schwartz, Mrs. Smith, Mr. and Mrs. Jones. Sure. They say, of course, yeah. Democrats, they say yes.
It's the politicians that don't want it, like Schumer and these guys. They don't want it because they want to be able to cheat. Because you know what?
If they didn't have it, OK, who is going to vote for somebody that wants open borders? Who's going to vote for somebody that wants to have men playing in women's sports? You know, I have never had one person come up to me and say, President, you got to do something to allow men to play in women's sports.
Have you ever? Just like I've never been called by a pollster. I told you my little theory on posters.
OK, I'm getting myself in trouble with some of these things, but I don't really care. Nobody's ever come up to me and said, we want to have men playing women's sports. And, you know, I had a funny thing at a property I own in California.
I have a woman who's a very good athlete, and she works there as a manager. And Brian Erlacher, the big Chicago Bears, great player, you know, 10-time All-Star, I guess, Hall of Famer, great guy, big strong guy. And she said, oh, he's one of my favorite athletes.
Can I have a picture? And I took a picture and I sent it. And I noticed she was the size of his leg.
His leg was bigger than she was. And I put it out. Should men play in women's sports?
The whole, it was just so ridiculous.
Joe Rogan
What's one of the most bizarre and polarizing ideas that's promoted by the left?
Donald Trump
But who wants it? Now, unless you're going to cheat in elections, you're never going to get it. Nobody wants it.
Right. I don't think anybody wants it. I've never, I've been told everything.
You know, you can, some people want this. I don't know of anybody that wants open borders. Nobody's ever come up to me and say, President, you got to let the world come into our country.
Right. Now, if they won, so they have 21 million. I think it's much higher than that because you have gotaways.
You know, gotaways where they just walk in. But and the other thing you have is human traffickers. You have traffickers and they traffic in women.
And they're going wild. Now, we used to, you know, we have to look the trunk of cars. Can you believe it?
They put women in trunks. They'll put three women in a trunk. These people are savages.
They're horrible. The worst people, and they're making the kind of money they make on drugs. They're almost making on trafficking now.
And the thing that's made it hot is the internet. That's what, you know, you think of it almost as an ancient thing. But it's the internet.
But who would want to have these things? Who would want to have? There's so many the transgender operations where they're allowed to take your child when he goes to school and turn him into a male to a female without parental consent.
Who wants this? Does anybody want this? I've never heard of anyone.
And I can go into 10 different things. The only way they get them is by no voter ID. You can't have voter ID.
They don't want any. They want to cheat. There's only one reason because the voter ID is so basic.
It's the most basic thing.
Joe Rogan
It's very basic.
Donald Trump
Who would want this? They want it so they can cheat because their policies are no good. I'll tell you, they're very smart when it comes to that.
They're very smart, although they're not smart in terms of politics in a way, because what do they have that people want? They really don't have. They give away a lot of health care, a lot of stuff.
But for the most part, their policies are terrible. Their policy on military. She's running on a tax hike.
She's going to raise your taxes. You got to hear this. We are going to raise your taxes.
And the people clap. But who is going to win with her? All my life, I grew up with politicians, lower taxes.
She's politic in that we are going to raise your taxes.
Joe Rogan
Well, they want to raise the ideas. You want to raise the taxes to the highest earners. I know.
They think that millionaires and billionaires are not paying their fair share. But it doesn't work that way. Well, it's a narrative, right?
And it's a narrative that appeals to people that are not doing well. And they're like, yeah, our problems are these rich people are not paying taxes.
Donald Trump
Well, the problems are the rich people are going to leave and they're going to close up their companies and then the other people aren't going to have jobs. You know, that's what happens.
Joe Rogan
It does happen in other countries.
Donald Trump
But the whole because you brought it up. I'll tell you what we just. He's doing a very good job in Virginia.
Glenn Youngkin. I don't know if you like him and not like. But you know, I'm the governor of Virginia.
So we have a case where they found thousands of illegal ballots. A judge just ruled that they have to be able to vote. Just happened today, just before I walked in here.
I heard a judge just ruled that you have to keep those people in. They're illegal. They're illegal votes.
Now, I think they'll be overturned at the next court. One thing I found because I had a couple of things that they got overturned a little bit. The system because the system you have to hope that the appellate judges are honest.
Otherwise, we don't have a country anymore. It's very important. But the whole thing with illegal ballots has got to be looked at.
You got to have you have to have voter ID and you have to have additional ID. You have to have an ID that shows that you're a citizen of the country.
Joe Rogan
I agree.
Donald Trump
They don't want that either.
Joe Rogan
I agree. One of the things that I want to talk to you about is the JFK files. And one of the things that you said was that if they showed you what they showed me, this is your quote, you wouldn't want people to know it either.
Donald Trump
So I opened them up partially. I was met with from good people. I mean, you know, look, I mean, good people, people that were well meaning.
Mike Pompeo was one of them. He's a good person. They called me.
They said, sir, would rather have you not after. And I did open them. But I was asked by some people not to open them.
There's a Martin Luther King file, too, by the way, that they'd like to see. I don't know if you know, but there is that. But but JFK in particular.
So they call me a lot of good people, call me people that I you know, that you would find reasonable people. And they asked me not to do it. So I said, well, we'll close it for another time.
But if I win, I'm going to open them up. I'm just going to open enough.
Joe Rogan
Why didn't you open it up the first time?
Donald Trump
Because a lot of times the hesitation addresses people that are still living. There are people that are affected. And there could be some national security reason that for you know, that I don't have to necessarily know about.
But some very good, talented people asked me not to do it. I opened it up and then they said, would it be possible for us to do that a different day? How much of it did you read into?
I think it's going to be just fine to open it. Let me put it that way. I think it's fine.
It's going to be time. It's a cleansing. You know, it's really a cleansing.
So I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office.
Joe Rogan
Well, the thing when people look at it from the outside and you sort of imagine what could be a reason why they would not release those files, it would be there's people that were implicated in the assassination.
Donald Trump
Well, when there are living people, you generally tend not to want to do it. When people are still living.
Joe Rogan
Living people that formerly worked for the government.
Donald Trump
For the government and living people that were somehow involved in it. And you tend not to do that. But it's time to open them.
I can't tell you whether or not they're going to find anything of interest. And I did partially open. I think I've opened 50%.
But I was asked not to do it. And I thought that was a reasonable ask. But now I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it very soon. There's a lot of interest in it. One of the things that a lot of interest in the people coming from space, you know?
Joe Rogan
Yes.
Donald Trump
And I know you're interested.
Joe Rogan
Oh, very interested in that.
Donald Trump
How much they tell you about that?
Joe Rogan
A lot. Really? Yeah.
What they tell you? How much can you tell? So I.
How's that work? Is it like super top secret?
Donald Trump
Tell me. Well, based on Hunter Biden, I can say whatever the hell I want. Right.
But no. But I interviewed a few people. It's never been my thing.
I have to be honest. I have never been a believer. I have people that Area 51 or whatever it is.
I think it's the number one tourist attraction in the whole country or something. Area 51 in Las Vegas. Do you know that, right?
Sure. I know what it is. So anyway.
But it's a big tourist thing. So I interviewed jet pilots that say they saw something. If you saw them, you'd love to have a musician.
Joe Rogan
I've had a couple in here. Commander David Fravor. I had him in who had that sighting in 2004.
Very, very compelling with visual video evidence, radar evidence.
Donald Trump
Brian Graves. I don't believe his name, but I interviewed jet pilots that were solid people. Perfect.
I mean, great pilots, great everything. And they said, we saw things, sir, that were very strange, like a round ball. But it wasn't a comet or a meteor.
It was something. And it was going four times faster than an F-22, which is a very fast plane. And it was round, which is, in theory, a great shape.
Joe Rogan
So when you were talking to these people, was this something that you were compelled to have conversations about? Was this your personal interest? A little bit.
Donald Trump
It's not a great interest for me, but it's a little interest. I get that question as much as almost any question. Do you think that we have aliens coming, you know, flying around or whatever?
What do you think? There's no reason not to. I mean, there's no reason not to think that Mars and all these planets don't have life, you know, because...
Joe Rogan
Well, Mars, we've had probes there and rovers, and I don't think there's any life there.
Donald Trump
Well, maybe it's life that we don't know, but maybe it's a different kind of life.
Joe Rogan
Well, maybe there was life there at one point in time. This is a speculation about Mars, that Mars had an atmosphere at one point in time a long time ago that could support life. It also had large bodies of water, but we've had no evidence of even bacterial life that exists on Mars.
Donald Trump
But the universe is pretty vast. It's not been a big thing for me. I mean, when I looked at what China did to this, they would have never done it with me, where they put the balloon up, and a lot of people thought for a little while that that was one of these things.
Joe Rogan
Well, that's a lot of the speculation too, that some of these drones that hover over battleships, that these are Chinese drones and that they're not UFOs.
Joe Rogan
They could be also. There's some super sophisticated...
Donald Trump
But I did interview, let's say three or four guys that, and without tremendous interest, if you had them, as I said, you'd love to have them as your children. Solid, beautiful people. They said, sir, there's something there.
You know, they've... There's something there. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. I've talked to quite a few of them.
Donald Trump
They're not conspiracy guys.
Joe Rogan
Well, I mean, just the Commander David Fravor thing in 2004 off the coast of San Diego, they clocked that thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second. They don't know what it is.
Joe Rogan
That's tough to beat.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. They saw something in the water. It was hovering over that something that was making a disturbance in the water.
They got video evidence of this thing. Two different fighter jets with pilots in them saw it. There's visual evidence, photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence.
Whatever the hell it is, it moves in a way that would turn a human being into Jell-O if they were inside of it. The G-Force, no one would survive. What is that?
It doesn't have a heat signature. They don't know what their propulsion system was. But...
Donald Trump
When you fly in some of these jets, these pilots have to be in great shape.
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah. I flew with the Blue Angels once.
Donald Trump
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I got to fly. I guess it's an F-18.
Donald Trump
And those are older machines. And they're crazy. When you fly in some of these things, it's amazing.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I can imagine.
Donald Trump
You got to be special.
Joe Rogan
But these things that these people are encountering are far superior to what we know of.
Donald Trump
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Is it possible that there's some military or government program that you weren't... that they didn't tell you about?
Donald Trump
I think I had a great relationship with the military, basically. But, you know, I didn't like certain people. I would have gotten them out if I thought...
If I were... If the election was different, I would have fired, you know, all of them quickly. Most of them I did fire.
Biden should have fired every military person involved with Afghanistan. He should have had a lot of firings. You know, if you look at him, he told Israel not to do anything.
And at least Israel is not going to look at a bomb the way they would have been. Think if they listened to Biden. They'd be waiting for a bomb to drop on their head right now.
He's been wrong about so much. I guess you'd have to say that she's been wrong, too. Because, you know, they...
She always said they made the decision together. But Israel didn't follow his advice. And I think it was a very...
You know, it's a very... The Middle East is rapidly changing. You know, there are prophets that say the world will come to an end in the Middle East.
You know that, right? And we have weapons today that are so scary. When you look...
I rebuilt them all. And when you look at the weapons we have today, the biggest threat we have in the world today is nuclear weapons. And we have other weapons, too, that are devastating.
But the nuclear weapons, the biggest threat we have in the world today, and that's what... You... I was talking about de-escalation with both China and Russia.
I'm telling you, we were going to de-escalate. They were going to de-escalate. Got to be careful.
It's a little tricky playing with them. Because they say we're going to do it and they don't do it, maybe. But they understood the curse, too.
It's a curse. China's way behind us, but they'll catch us within five years.
Joe Rogan
So let's imagine, let's say you win in November. What do you do differently? And how do you change this course that it seems we are on for World War III?
How do you get us out of Ukraine? How do you stop what's going on in the Middle East? How do you put a stop to this?
Donald Trump
Well, it's a very... To me, it's an easy question because I think I can do it easily. But it's a complex question in the sense that the times change.
Every day changes. Who's winning? Who's not winning?
I mean, Russia's a war machine. Whether you like it or not, it just grinds along, grinds along. You speak to people like Viktor Orban, he'll tell you.
It's just a big, fat war machine. And that's what's happening. You look at what's happened to Ukraine.
If I were there, it would have never happened. But what could you do now?
Joe Rogan
If you get into office in January, what could you do now?
Donald Trump
Right now, you would get both of them. I know both very well. And again, I do not want to tell you for the purpose of looking smart to five people that say, oh, he was great.
Because if I told you exactly what I do, I could never make the deal. All I can tell you is that I would meet with Putin and I would meet with him. And I know exactly what I'd say to each one of them.
And I believe that as president-elect, I would get that war stopped and stopped fast. You know, we have tremendous power in the United States if you know how to use the power. I stopped other wars just by the use of tariffs.
I got Macron of France. Good guys, like a friend of mine. But he's a wise guy.
And he's a person that likes France. And he was going to tax our companies. And I sent all the smartest guys.
I sent Mnuchin. They all failed me. And I said, I'll do it myself.
And I called him. I said, Emmanuel, you're taxing American companies. We're not going to allow you to do that.
Oh, Donald, I cannot do it. Nothing I could do. It's already been passed.
I said, Emmanuel, if you do that, I'm going to put 100% tariff when your wines and champagnes are coming to the United States. And you're going to regret that you ever did it. He said, Donald, please, that's not fair.
Anyway, within about two minutes, he dropped the whole thing. And it was massive amounts of money against American companies. I have to protect American companies.
So why doesn't the Biden administration do this? Because they're incompetent. They don't know how to talk.
Look, they met in Alaska with the Chinese. And the Chinese lectured them about how badly we treat people. Right?
OK. I mean, think of it. You remember that day?
It was like they didn't talk to me that way. They never. They respected me.
They respected our country. They don't respect our country. They don't respect Biden.
They don't respect her. They're dreaming about her because she's incompetent. She's not a smart person.
Look, she can't put two sentences together. She talks. I watched her two nights.
I watched her last night, too. It was the same thing. She's not a smart person.
These guys are very smart. And they're very streetwise. And they're very tricky and evil and dangerous.
And if she becomes the president of the United States, which I can't believe can happen, I don't think this country is going to make it. I don't think we'll ever be. I think just really bad things will happen to our country.
And you know what? I look at the outside forces and I say they can all be handled because we have a pot of gold. But we're not going to have that pot of gold to play with anymore.
You know, it's a great negotiating thing. I told you I knocked out this massive car company going to take all of our car business from Detroit. I knocked it out just by my rhetoric.
Rhetorically, I said, they'll never sell a car in here. I'll put tariffs. I don't care.
They're 2,000%. They're never going to build that plant and knock it out.
Joe Rogan
Is it possible to apply that same thing to the electronics that we use? One of the things that disturbs me greatly is that all of our phones are made overseas. And then some of our phones are made in places like- Yes, and the chips.
And some of our phones are made in places like Foxconn, where they have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roof because they have so many suicides. Wouldn't it be better to have an American-made iPhone, where you know people are paid good wages, they have health insurance, they're taken care of, they can live a good life, where you're not buying a piece of electronics that's cheaper because someone has to suffer in a horrible way that's not even legal in the United States. It's not even legal to have them work that way in the United States so they get these people to build them overseas.
Donald Trump
You do it, but let me just say, that chip deal is so bad. We put up billions of dollars for rich companies to come in and borrow the money and build chip companies here, and they're not going to give us the good companies anyway. All you had to do is charge them tariffs.
If you would have put a tariff on the chips coming in, you would have been able to- Just like the auto companies, no different. More sophisticated, but no different. You know, Taiwan, they stole our chip business.
Okay? They want us to protect and they want protection. They don't pay us money for the protection, you know?
The mob makes you pay money, right? But with these countries that we protect, I got hundreds of billions of dollars from NATO countries that were never paying us. And my biggest fan is Stoltenberg, who just left as the, you know, Director General, as the Secretary General.
Good guy. He said Bush came, he made a speech. Obama came, he made a speech.
Trump came, he said, you guys aren't paying, you got to pay. And they said, will you protect us from Russia if we don't? I said, no, you got to pay if you don't pay.
Billions of dollars came in to NATO. When I see us paying a lot of money to have people build a chip, that's not the way. You didn't have to put up 10 cents.
You could have done it with a series of tariffs. In other words, you tariff it so high that they will come and build their chip companies for nothing. In other words, Joe, you put a big tariff on the chips coming in.
I say, you don't have to pay the tariff. All you have to do is build your plant in the United States. We didn't have to give them the money to build a plant.
Besides that, they're very rich companies, these chip companies. They stole 95% of our business. It's in Taiwan right now.
They do a great job. But that's only because we have stupid politicians. We lost the chip business.
And now we think we're going to pay. You can't build it that way. You have to make them spend their money in the United States.
And those plants would open up all over. And they'll fund them. We don't have to put up 10 cents.
And I am in the process of making a huge speech in about a little while. And you and I, how long have we been talking? A long time.
Let's go.
Joe Rogan
Probably like three hours.
Donald Trump
I got to make a speech. But we'll do it again. I want to do it again with you.
Joe Rogan
OK.
Donald Trump
You are something. Thank you very much. I said, how long will this last?
Anywhere from an hour to three or four hours?
Joe Rogan
How long we do, Jamie? Three hours.
Donald Trump
Good. Well, we'll do it again. I thought it was great.
I think it's...
Joe Rogan
I think it was great. It was a lot of fun.
Donald Trump
You are a fascinating guy. And you've done a great job.
Joe Rogan
Thank you very much.
Donald Trump
And thank you very much. It's been an honor.
Joe Rogan
It's been an honor.
Donald Trump
I'm going to make a great speech. And I'm going to say... And if I'm a little off tonight, I'm going to blame you.
Joe Rogan
I spoke to this guy for three hours. Anyway, it's a great honor to be here. Thank you, sir.
Thank you. Good luck to you. Thank you very much.
Thank you. All right.
Joe Rogan
Bye, everybody.
PS: I believe you can also find this interview on Spotify and X.
BTW - Kamala refused to do Rogan unless he met HER demands.
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